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Old 02-11-2007, 11:55 PM
 
Location: San Antonio. Tx 78209
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The Dallas North Tollway brings in no money to the city of Dallas, all the money goes to the NTTA. The portion of the tollway that runs from Downtown Dallas to 635 have been payed off for years, yet the NTTA has broken it's commitment to return the Tollway to the public. It has turned from a user fee to a tax to fund tollway extentions into Plano and Frisco and points farther north. The tollway is offered as an option because when it was build north central was a two lane expressway that couldn't handle the traffic on it. Even in the 60's. It should be noted NCX was upgraded and fully opened to traffic by the late 90's.
On another note, 121 in frisco is being tolled, but by the state not by the NTTA. If you want to see a traffic back up go to stonebriar on any weekday during rushhour. LBJ freeway during rush hour is a joke, one crash and it backs up for miles. The mixmasters are the worst, the worst signage I have ever seen along with left exits. Not to mention the exit from 35-e Northbound on the woodall rodgers is complete suicide due to the complete lack of a merging lane and an entrance ramp the comes in from downtown.

 
Old 02-11-2007, 11:55 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Never knew sophistication and poor planning would yield the same result...
 
Old 02-12-2007, 12:07 AM
 
Location: San Antonio. Tx 78209
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This ...

or this...


Which one looks better and easier to drive?
 
Old 02-12-2007, 12:23 AM
 
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Toll





I-75




So much better thought out and easy to navigate than anything in SA.
 
Old 02-12-2007, 12:33 AM
 
Location: San Antonio. Tx 78209
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Actually the original central expressway was noted for it's suicide exits and it's metered entrance ramps, and would look like this today if it hadn't been for the unfair allocation of funds away from San Antonio, and some degree Austin. To of course feed Dallas's monstrous ego.
 
Old 02-12-2007, 01:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by UTSASTUD View Post
You've got to be kidding right? Either you're joking, ignorant, or smoking some good ish to make that kind of statement. SA's highway system is one of the worst out of any large city I've been in, and even is worse than some smaller cities.

They make no progress, the repairs are faulty, it's not thought out, and it's just poor construction. SA's freeway system could never handle the amount of traffic in Dallas, it can barely handle the traffic it's got now.



Atleast it looks and functions well. No sharp exits, and freeways that are wide enough to deal with the traffic.




No there's not. Along I-10 going north, there's nothing. In Dallas, around every major roadway (35, 635, Toll, 75), there's development and it's contiguous...even into the suburbs.
Theres a lot of reasons. Growth has been slow to go up I10 WEST (there is no such thing as I10 NORTH) And thats due to A. Camp Bullis B. Expensive land to develop C. The city just didn't grow out I10 until around 10 years ago. Hell i remember going to six flags when it first opened and thinking it was way out in the middle of nowhere..Growth has caught up. But its taken a while for the previous reasons. Growth up 281 is weird because of large quarries and Edwards Aquifer crap. Growth up 35 has been good due to live oak/selma/schertz etc. Growth is starting to happen up 151..And I guess its just a matter of time before it happens to each of the major roads.

Seriously though, how can you complain about the freeway system? It sucks cause of all the construction, but if you honestly have troubles commuting on this simple system to get from point A to point B...I don't know what to tell you. I know everyone i know can get from I10/1604 to 35/410 within 30 minutes at most times. And in about on hour even during peak times, its all about access roads during rush hour.

On lightrail, it was turned down by the voters. If it doesn't relate to the spurs and it cost more tax-wise the city will probably vote it down even if its in the citys best interest. Thats just how its been. Now that more out of towners are moving in things like this will slowly start to change, but it will take time!

I drove through dallas 10 years ago and I don't understand the "big city" thing. It just feels like SA with more restuarants and taller buildings..Same with houston...Someone explain to me this "big city" feeling i am supposed to get? It so happens i drove through dallas...that time and the next day i was driving through chicago..I got the sense of a "big city" there. It's hard to explain but I don't get that feeling in Phoenix, Dallas, Or Houston. Which are all significantly bigger than SA. They just feel like a more spread out, more developed SAs. :/
 
Old 02-12-2007, 11:44 AM
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Location: san antonio - 210
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Originally Posted by UTSASTUD View Post
You've got to be kidding right? Either you're joking, ignorant, or smoking some good ish to make that kind of statement. SA's highway system is one of the worst out of any large city I've been in, and even is worse than some smaller cities.
Right, ok, sure. When all you have to base this on is Dallas, than sure I guess you're right.

But I find nothing wrong with this:

Before
http://raulsphotography.com/sah-13.JPG (broken link)

After
http://raulsphotography.com/sah-14.JPG (broken link)


Quote:
They make no progress, the repairs are faulty, it's not thought out, and it's just poor construction. SA's freeway system could never handle the amount of traffic in Dallas, it can barely handle the traffic it's got now.
It always comes back to Dallas. Jesus kid, have you ever been outside of Texas? Of course SA's freeway system could never handle Dallas traffic. That's not really Nobel Prize winning stuff there.



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Atleast it looks and functions well. No sharp exits, and freeways that are wide enough to deal with the traffic.
Really? So Houston traffic is a breeze wth all those wide freeways? That has to be the funniest thing I'd ever heard.




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No there's not. Along I-10 going north, there's nothing. In Dallas, around every major roadway (35, 635, Toll, 75), there's development and it's contiguous...even into the suburbs.
Yes, it does.

http://xs512.xs.to/xs512/07071/itdoes.PNG (broken link)

http://xs512.xs.to/xs512/07071/itdoes2.PNG (broken link)

http://xs512.xs.to/xs512/07071/itdoes3.PNG (broken link)

http://xs512.xs.to/xs512/07071/itdoes4.png (broken link)

I can keep going but I think I'll stop.
 
Old 02-12-2007, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Excuses, excuses. I'm sorry but there's just no excuse for SA to be so underdeveloped. If freaking Charlotte, NC (which isn't even a large city) can have light rail, and a developed urban core, why can't SA?

It's not like the funding isn't there. Tourism and military comprise a large amount of income.

But I really do think it all comes back to education. Education breeds money, and money breeds class, and class is something SA just doesn't have.
Charlotte is the same size as San Antonio (metro wise). The metro area is 2.2 million as of 2006 (according to Emporis). If Charlotte is not a large city, San Antonio isn't either.
 
Old 02-12-2007, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by 210 View Post
Right, ok, sure. When all you have to base this on is Dallas, than sure I guess you're right.

But I find nothing wrong with this:

Before
http://raulsphotography.com/sah-13.JPG (broken link)

After
http://raulsphotography.com/sah-14.JPG (broken link)




It always comes back to Dallas. Jesus kid, have you ever been outside of Texas? Of course SA's freeway system could never handle Dallas traffic. That's not really Nobel Prize winning stuff there.





Really? So Houston traffic is a breeze wth all those wide freeways? That has to be the funniest thing I'd ever heard.






Yes, it does.

http://xs512.xs.to/xs512/07071/itdoes.PNG (broken link)

http://xs512.xs.to/xs512/07071/itdoes2.PNG (broken link)

http://xs512.xs.to/xs512/07071/itdoes3.PNG (broken link)

http://xs512.xs.to/xs512/07071/itdoes4.png (broken link)

I can keep going but I think I'll stop.
210, you have no idea what you took pictures of. The first is a business park in Frisco. Those companies own that land. Nothing is on them yet until they build it.

The second is one of the Trinity River. They aren't going to build anything on land that is real prone to flooding even in moderate rain. Nice try.

The third is someones farm. They just haven't given up their land to developers. You can see on the right new houses. They have this in the middle of Houston, too.

Not sure where the fourth location is.

Don't compare SA with Houston or Dallas. It was a good try with the pictures, though.
 
Old 02-12-2007, 04:40 PM
 
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if it hadn't been for the unfair allocation of funds away from San Antonio, and some degree Austin. To of course feed Dallas's monstrous ego.
Awwww come on, that's not fair. Dallas needed better roadways because it's a major hub. As wCAT stated, SA's southernly location means that it got left out on the advancement that Dallas and Houston benefitted from.
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