Black Friday shopping (Mart: realty, Walmart, company)

[lonestar2007]

Maybe they should drag out one of those high lifts that they use to stack merchanise on the high shelves and have a security guard sitting on it with a high powered rife and have a loudspeaker announcing every 5 minutes that the first person to break and run when the doors open will be shot. That sounds pretty drastic doesn't it, but what actually occurred was drastic. But seriously, I can no more blame a store for the actions of its customers who choose to act like a bunch of wild animals, than I could blame a gun for the actions of its murderous demented hoolum of an owner. I think it's disgusting the way this entire Black Friday crap is geared up to 'start off the holiday shopping season', but individuals are responsible for their own personal actions. Make no mistake, they will be judged and punished by a higher power than our courts. All of it, the stores greedy for that almighty dollar, the people greedy to the point of trampling another human being in order to save a few of those almighty dollars is just simply disgusting. Sure takes the true meaning of Christmas out of the picture, doesn't it?

On a lighter note, I love this site for all the comments, trivia and information from all the participants. As for this thread, I am thankful to have learned about kiva.org posted by sapphire (thank you, sapphire) and Heifer International by Eleanor Rigby (thank you, Eleanor Rigby).

[sinsativ]

The biggest problem with the whole thing that happened at Walmart, we've mentioned it. We're all blaming "Walmart", its not Walmarts fault, no more than Enron was at fault, or Anderson, or anyone of the numerous Banks that have closed. Those are all entities. Not individuals. That is why they were created in the first place, No one is going to go to Bentonville, Arkansas and start pointing fingers at the Walton family. No, the entity, we all feel comfortable doing that, we can't even place personal responsibility, let alone take it.
Now, to add insult to injury, normally, an employee that got injured or died while doing their job, would get full benefits from the company, insurance, wc, blah, blah, all that, right? Well, the kicker, Jdimytai Damour, the employee that got trampled, came from a temporary agency and was doing maintenance work at the store. So, he had to sign a lot of waivers, and will be on his temp agency's plan of reimbursement, not Walmart's. OUCH!! and a slap in the face.
The Personal Responsibility needs to be from the people that ran this man down, hundreds of stores across the US did the same thing, and have in the past 20 plus years, The People at the door were the criminals. When the concert goers killed each other in Dec. 1979 before a "Who" concert,when they had no reservation tickets, did they sue the entertainers? Mosh pit dancing has killed several people at concerts, is that the entertainers fault? No, they just put on the venue. Its safe as long as the people that attend it do so in a safe and orderly manner. Same thing can be said for guns, guns arent the problem, its the people pulling the triggers.
Had the people that had gotten there on time, first come, first serve, went in the store in an orderly fashion, shopped like human beings, not like crazed savages, no one would have been hurt,and this man would be able to spend Christmas with his family. But because they saved $100 on a 50 inch plasma TV, he's dead, and his children are now without a father, a wife without a husband. etc. Merry Christmas New York

[wCat]

Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby

There is a whole lot of common law and legal precedence to sue the pants of Wal-Mart for negligence, though.

Wal-Mart has an implied duty to provide a safe environment both to its employees and its shoppers, and an implied duty to provide appropriate safeguards for the shopping or working experience. Wal-Mart breached that duty when they did not take precautions to safeguard against a forseeable event (the stampede). Further, they negligently contributed to the event by creating the out-of-control atmosphere that precipitated the event (via advertising that there were extremely limited amounts of sale items, the "blitz line' sign mentioned above, etc), not taking precautions to control the crowd, not providing adequate security guards to control the crowd, and relying on undertrained permanent and temporary workers to hold back a riled-up mob. Therefore, Wal-Mart is negligent, and therefore was an indirect cause of his death. The direct cause of his death, obviously, is the stampeding crowd.

That's one approach; the other approach is the Learned Hand doctrine, which is the more economics-based one: if the burden (in this case, the burden of providing appropriate measures to control the crowds) is less than the cost of the measures that need to be taken times the liability that will be faced by Wal Mart due to the forseeable event, then Wal-Mart would be found negligent.

FYI, I'm not making any sort of value judgments about whether or not Wal-Mart should be sued, I'm just pointing out that there is substantial legal grounds to go after them in this particular case that have absolutely nothing to do with "hating Wal Mart". Wal-Mart created a situation that led to this man's death. If it can be proven that not only was this a forseeable outcome of Wal-Mart's actions, but that they also contributed, Wal-Mart should have to pay up.

If this Walmart only had the crystal ball the rest of them had, then it could have all been prevented.....right? Seriously, what happened differently at this Walmart that caused this disaster that other Walmarts didn't experience?
I honestly get ill at the "sue happy" mentality...no personal insults to any legal eagles here, but this was a horrible accident. The amount of taxpayer funds to go against an "entity" like Walmart would be astronomical. I'm not saying it shouldn't be pursued because of the legal clout that Walmart has, but the bigger picture needs to be looked at. Not just a comparison to other stores, but thousands of other WALMARTS exercised this event without harm or trauma to anyone, so my guess that would be a hard argument against this ONE store. My guess is they all probably followed the same advertising and store policy in dealing with black Friday.....which now has an even darker connotation.

The economy is on the fritz and the holidays are bearing down, and this became a perfect storm. People became monsters and an innocent life was collateral damage. How horribly sad for everyone....including all of us who have to read about it. I don't feel like pointing fingers at anyone. Nothing will change what's happened....but hopefully the future will hold changes to better strategic marketing and management.

[adtobias]

How about we remember what the holidays are about and forget about the material things.

[rd2007]

Originally Posted by mamatotex97

I have found that most seem to fit. Once in a while I get a set that doesn't. All the ones I have bought at either Kohls or BedBath and Beyond have always fit.

that's very interesting. Do you have to put them on sideways? No biggy for solids, but I would imagine a pattern might look funky.

Originally Posted by lovinSA

Having dealt with the king bed in CA, check out Home Goods. I also had Penneys order some (with free shipping to house) for me because Kings were not carried in store, the sales girl said they could do that because they were supposed to be 'in stock'. Costco usually has free shipping on sets too!

thanks for that info, where were you guys 7 years ago

Originally Posted by luckygreeniii

We have a cali king and I am sure that I have gotten reg king sheets in the past without any problem.
The last sheets I got were from JC Penneys and they were actually kind of big but I can't remember for sure what size they were.

Thank you also. I appreciate the info

Originally Posted by sinsativ

The biggest problem with the whole thing that happened at Walmart, we've mentioned it. We're all blaming "Walmart", its not Walmarts fault, no more than Enron was at fault, or Anderson, or anyone of the numerous Banks that have closed. Those are all entities. Not individuals.

ha ha, I thought you had lost your mind until I got to that part. You're absolutely correct. Same goes with guns and killing people.

[mamatotex97]

just put the sheets on the regular way...no funky patterns

[mojokitty]

Originally Posted by Calle13

HAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH


You're funny

I don't know what's so funny about that. I've been saying that same thing for years!

[luckygreeniii]

Originally Posted by Calle13

HAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH


You're funny

If more people had the attitude of "good will toward men" the world would be a much easier place to live for all of us. If we can get a mob mentality and do some of the jacked up stuff that has been going on, can't it work the same way to start treating each other a little better?

Guess I am just an idealist....

[texdav]

Avtually I never shop on that day usually. But a friend told me aboput a good buy on some tools. I went out to wal-mart at 12:30pm and had no problem.

[sapphire]

Didn't take long:
Customers injured in crush suing Wal-Mart - CNN.com