new idea for relief on 281 ? (Marshall, Dawson: school, safety, vehicles)

[heimerswt]

Originally Posted by SAAggiemom

Ryneone ~ Texhwyman said he thought the S.S. would cause long backups on intersecting streets. I was pointing out that is not the case. I don't know why you thought that was left field. Sorry if I was unclear.

SAAggiemom...I think you might have misread TexHwyMan. I didn't see any place where he said something negative about the Super Street idea.

TexHwyMan's post (#21 in this thead) explains the idea of LONGER LIGHTS along 281 would cause problems for people at the cross streets waiting to turn on to 281.

Originally Posted by TexHwyMan

The superstreet proposal is actually a variant of the "Michigan Left", which, as the name implies, has been used in Michigan quite extensively and successfully for years. A similar solution actually has been used in San Antonio before-- coincidentally, on 281 between Bitters and Loop 1604 when it was upgraded from a divided highway to a freeway back in the late '80s, and it worked quite well then. Reports at the time indicated that traffic flow improved significantly through the area during construction than it was before.

This is the only part of his post that talked about the Superstreet. He also described how synchronization is not the answer either. It appears to me that he supports the Super Street plan, or at least thinks it could help.

[SAAggiemom]

"Perhaps, but at the expense of traffic on Evans, Stone Oak, and Marshall. In the morning especially, that would result in extremely long backups on those roadways."

This is what he said that I was disagreeing with because I don't believe this will be the case. (sorry I don't know how to do quotes)
And, this is NOT a Michigan left. They may be similar but they are not the same. I googled Michigan Left and for one thing there appeared to be an absence of traffic lights which would cause lots of problems and lead to accidents. The turn arounds are much further apart (I have been told). The SS turn arounds will be 600 to 800 feet from the intersection.
But whatever . . . say no to this and wait for a new ES to be completed in 3 to 5 years and then the toll road fight can start over again. I chose to endorse this temporary fix and spend more time at home and less in traffic.

[heimerswt]

Originally Posted by SAAggiemom

"Perhaps, but at the expense of traffic on Evans, Stone Oak, and Marshall. In the morning especially, that would result in extremely long backups on those roadways."

This is what he said that I was disagreeing with because I don't believe this will be the case. (sorry I don't know how to do quotes)
And, this is NOT a Michigan left. They may be similar but they are not the same. I googled Michigan Left and for one thing there appeared to be an absence of traffic lights which would cause lots of problems and lead to accidents. The turn arounds are much further apart (I have been told). The SS turn arounds will be 600 to 800 feet from the intersection.
But whatever . . . say no to this and wait for a new ES to be completed in 3 to 5 years and then the toll road fight can start over again. I chose to endorse this temporary fix and spend more time at home and less in traffic.

Firstly, you seem to have missed the part where he says:

"The superstreet proposal is actually a variant of the "Michigan Left" Note the word variant. This means it is not the same exact thing.

Secondly, you seemed to have also missed this part (again):

Reports at the time indicated that traffic flow improved significantly through the area. This would indicate a POSITIVE opinion of the Super Street design.

Thirdly, you again missed where I explained you are attributing his quoted sentence (in your post, this part: "Perhaps, but at the expense of traffic on Evans, Stone Oak, and Marshall. In the morning especially, that would result in extremely long backups on those roadways."). He is NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SUPER STREET DESIGN. He is quoting another poster who thinks a different idea (longer green lights on north/south 281) will work. He is saying that other idea would not work.

[SAAggiemom]

Good grief! Feel better now? Focus on the traffic. It's not about me it's about traffic and road improvements. You're such a charmer. Thanks for sharing your sentiments.

[Dopo]

I only have 1 recommendation,
send somebody to one of those spots with the "Super Street" and see if it actually works during rush hour.

[713 to 210]

Originally Posted by SAAggiemom

Good grief! Feel better now? Focus on the traffic. It's not about me it's about traffic and road improvements. You're such a charmer. Thanks for sharing your sentiments.

heimerswt is simply explaining where you were confused. I didn't take it as an attack and I don't think you should either.

[breathe]

I think the idea is absurd. I can't imagine enough benefit of having mandatory turn-right, fight-your-way-from-right-lane-to-left-to turn-yourself-in-the-direction-you-really-want-to-go traffic flow to outweigh the expense.

How about we hire the company that wants to build toll roads to build a bridge or two? They get the the job if they agree to build the overpass + a little wider to accomodate growth/expansion. THEN they can charge for the cost of their section of the overpass. Instead of toll-roads, it's toll bridges only. It's just a concept, it seems better than the the current solutions....

...and while I'm at it, why aren't the developers responsible for carrying some of the load for improved infrastructure (roads/schools)? Impact Fees as a practical and valuable tool for financing infrastructure needs are long overdue in Bexar county.

[Dopo]

Originally Posted by breathe

Instead of toll-roads, it's toll bridges only. It's just a concept, it seems better than the the current solutions....

I completely agree with that,
all that is needed is a couple of overpass bridges

[SAAggiemom]

If you are interested there is a meeting tonight at 7:00 at the Encino Park community center on Encino Rio at 7:00 PM to explain the superstreet idea. Pape Dawson engineers and Councilmen Rowe will be there to answer questions.

[dendox]

SAAggiemom - what can we do to see that this thing gets traction? I don't need to be sold anymore. I want it. But what can I do to help see that it gets done?