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Old 02-19-2009, 08:06 AM
 
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So yes 2 subjects here but kinda related.

First the possibility of Burbank High closing its doors, I cant believe no one else has posted anything about this yet. Harlandale was also facing additional closures and of course West Campus was closed. Why are all of these schools in the poorer parts of town? There is no way around the fact that if you have money, i.e. not live on the south, west or east side of town, you get a better education. Dont pooper people need more education so they can learn not to be poor? Of course good teachers are going to work at schools that pay more and none of those are on the , west or east side of town.

Superintendents KLRN forum - did anyone see this? I caught the tail end of it yesterday. They discussed consolidating school districts, talked about how northside school actually do get more money per student and magnite schools as well as talking about how Teen Pregnancy and other factors lead to higher drop out rates and how we should be educating children to these realities of the real world or at least the realities of thier surroundings.

Question - shouldnt some of that Federal Stimulus money that the city is asking for to help fix the Riverwalk or whatever other projects they NEED go to education. How much of that Stimulus money is going to education. Wouldnt it be a great idea to Stimulate the minds of school children by providing them a better education?
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Old 02-19-2009, 11:06 AM
 
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Do you have data to support the notion that poor schools/districts have lesser quality teachers?
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:33 PM
 
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Do you have data to support the notion that poor schools/districts have lesser quality teachers?

My point is that if you can afford to live in a better part of town (Northside)that you have the privledge of getting better education and that isnt fair. All public schools should have the same opportunities. I dont need data to say that any Northside/Northeast school is better than Harlandale, South San, Burbank. Have you ever been to the South or West sides of town?
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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My point is that if you can afford to live in a better part of town (Northside)that you have the privledge of getting better education and that isnt fair. All public schools should have the same opportunities. I dont need data to say that any Northside/Northeast school is better than Harlandale, South San, Burbank. Have you ever been to the South or West sides of town?
But at least they all get free lunches .
I do agree and think that all kids should be offered the same quality education no matter where they live. And please don't anyone say anything about how much you pay in taxes

I have heard that the state is threatening to take over NEISD because of ridiculous spending.
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:40 PM
 
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As a fellow graduate of Harlandale High, I can say that the high school has come a long way from my days, which were only a mere 8 years ago. A full editing studio with high end computers, digital design classes, as well as A+ certification courses. The school is full of potential. It comes down to parenting, and motivation. Growing up on the south side, I had to hear it from everyone about the school I went to, the birth rates on the rise, especially at Harlandale, and yet never caused me to stop going. Having friends graduate from the so called better schools on the Northside (i.e. O'Connor, Lee, Madison, even Regan) and the way they speak of their schools, doesn't make them stand out much different. Its the staff, and the interaction with that staff that ultimately creates the best learning environment. You can pay a teacher millions of dollars, but that doesn't make them teach any better than someone from a south side campus. Ok i need to stop before the sociologist in me gets out, and I will type all day.
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Old 02-19-2009, 01:40 PM
 
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My point is that if you can afford to live in a better part of town (Northside)that you have the privledge of getting better education and that isnt fair. All public schools should have the same opportunities. I dont need data to say that any Northside/Northeast school is better than Harlandale, South San, Burbank. Have you ever been to the South or West sides of town?


I know my sister and several friends would be offended by your comment. They are established teachers in non-northside school districts. They would be offended, but not surprised. I have heard stories from every one of them about over-reacting parents who blame every single thing on the "white teacher" who is picking on their child. Even through those moments, they still love the kids and pour their hearts out to them.

You see...they are the kind of teacher you WANT your kids to have, because even though they have to put up with narrow-minded thinking you subscribe to, they still have the desire to teach and help educate the kids in these schools.

Not a single one has left to go teach in the so-called areas that are a "better part of town". The parents should be thanking them for being there as a service to the children, not another person just earning a paycheck.

Additionally, as petrockmedia said "it comes down to parenting and motivation." You are wrong to say it is about money.
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Old 02-19-2009, 01:43 PM
 
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Please don't think that I agreed with the teacher part, only the money part.

It takes a special person to be a teacher. Personally, I could not do it. And yes, most definitely I agree with the parenting part. It is up to the parents to raise the child NOT the teachers. The best education starts at home.

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Old 02-19-2009, 01:47 PM
 
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I think the OP may be getting at the fact that teachers in wealthier districts have larger budgets and different expectations to work with.

Those students are provided with updated books, newer software, additional computers and more complete libraries not to mention overall better facilities.

That right there creates a learning environment that is automatically positive as opposed to going to school in an older building, having an inadequate library and not enough computers.

That is a generalization, I am not familiar with the said school.
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Old 02-19-2009, 02:16 PM
 
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I think the OP may be getting at the fact that teachers in wealthier districts have larger budgets and different expectations to work with.

Those students are provided with updated books, newer software, additional computers and more complete libraries not to mention overall better facilities.

That right there creates a learning environment that is automatically positive as opposed to going to school in an older building, having an inadequate library and not enough computers.

That is a generalization, I am not familiar with the said school.

Not to mention having a Subway on campus.
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Old 02-19-2009, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Not to mention having a Subway on campus.
Yes, for sure.

Generally, kiddos are able to focus on school and those duties when they know that they have no other worries.

Healthy food that is readily available, college fairs, part time job fairs, a school athletics program that is backed by sponsor dollars.

A wide gap exists between the "haves and have nots". There are certainly untangables that are in the equation and explain the diverse education that children who live in the same city receive.
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