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Old 03-12-2009, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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definitely have to agree with that. Especially since I've been a victim of the revenue generating side of it. Although most of the money went to the lawyer who defended me against the cop's blatant lies.
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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now there's some cops I can appreciate
I don't want a large Farva I want a gd liter of cola!
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:05 PM
 
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I don't want a large Farva I want a gd liter of cola!
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:54 PM
 
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How so? Driving is driving, and as one who does travel to Europe a lot (as well having lived there on numerous occasions), I can tell you that the comparisons are realistic. Speed does not equal unsafe, but lack of attention while driving (at any speed) is. I would much rather see enforcement of other laws such as keeping right except when passing, using turn signals, etc than the simple revenue-generating speeding tickets. Also, it would be nice if Texas passed a law that prohibited cell phone use while driving. That is the norm in Europe and it deters the idiots that so everything else in car except pay attention to their driving.
I have to respectfully disagree here. The autobahns of Germany and elsewhere in Europe are more specifically designated 'highway' use....not inner city freeways. They were designed to have minimal stops, crossings and pedestrian traffic that may impede traffic speed. Recommended speed is about 80mphs...but there is no posted limit. If you were strictly comparing Interstate highways, then you might be a tad closer.....but in no way can our city highway system come close to the European model.

Also, whoever mentioned the comment regarding a denser population etc....that doesn't fly either. Europe had a dense population long before the advent of the automobile.....and mass transit better serves a smaller geographic region as well as a dense population. There are many people in Europe that can get by relying on the Metro, Eurail system, buses and just pedestrian commuting and traveling.

This really cannot be over simplified by saying drivers are drivers no matter where. Speeding is a huge issue in this city especially when we have an unprecedented amount of growth in population and burgeoning pressure for our city highway system to keep up. It's critical that drivers under these conditions SLOW DOWN.....it's not rocket science to see that figures into the safety on our highways.
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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I think his post was more IRT pulling people over for revenue instead of for safety reasons. When I was pulled over last time I was across the highway from a family outside of their dead on the side of the road minivan and the cop didn't care. He was there to generate revenue and then go get some more. I know this because he immediately took off when he was done with me and never bothered to check on the family. While I was sitting there I watched three other cops blow by me without even bothering to check on the family. I'm guessing they were out looking for revenue also. I realize this is not just a cop thing, though. It is once again another failure of leadership. However, they should at least take two minutes out of their busy schedule to at least make sure the family had a cell phone and had called for a wrecker.
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:04 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I think his post was more IRT pulling people over for revenue instead of for safety reasons. When I was pulled over last time I was across the highway from a family outside of their dead on the side of the road minivan and the cop didn't care. He was there to generate revenue and then go get some more. I know this because he immediately took off when he was done with me and never bothered to check on the family. While I was sitting there I watched three other cops blow by me without even bothering to check on the family. I'm guessing they were out looking for revenue also. I realize this is not just a cop thing, though. It is once again another failure of leadership. However, they should at least take two minutes out of their busy schedule to at least make sure the family had a cell phone and had called for a wrecker.
"TO SERVE AND PROTECT" are guidelines only. Dinner, phone calls, naps, etc are of higher priority.
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Formerly TX, UT and CT - Currently NC
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definitely have to agree with that. Especially since I've been a victim of the revenue generating side of it. Although most of the money went to the lawyer who defended me against the cop's blatant lies.
What county is this in?
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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highway 151 is here in San Antonio
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:25 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Cops will go to great lengths to cover their butts most the time. It's very easy for them to get away with speeding because they can say they didn't want to alarm anyone with the lights and siren so they didn't use it. It's all human nature I suppose, some law enforcement will inevitably think they are above the law. I didn't feel like reading through all 800 pages of this thread, but good luck getting some results.
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Old 03-12-2009, 06:58 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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I have to respectfully disagree here. The autobahns of Germany and elsewhere in Europe are more specifically designated 'highway' use....not inner city freeways. They were designed to have minimal stops, crossings and pedestrian traffic that may impede traffic speed. Recommended speed is about 80mphs...but there is no posted limit. If you were strictly comparing Interstate highways, then you might be a tad closer.....but in no way can our city highway system come close to the European model.

Also, whoever mentioned the comment regarding a denser population etc....that doesn't fly either. Europe had a dense population long before the advent of the automobile.....and mass transit better serves a smaller geographic region as well as a dense population. There are many people in Europe that can get by relying on the Metro, Eurail system, buses and just pedestrian commuting and traveling.

This really cannot be over simplified by saying drivers are drivers no matter where. Speeding is a huge issue in this city especially when we have an unprecedented amount of growth in population and burgeoning pressure for our city highway system to keep up. It's critical that drivers under these conditions SLOW DOWN.....it's not rocket science to see that figures into the safety on our highways.
I was not specifically talking about the autobahn, but driving in general. Roads in Europe are not nearly as well built as they are here, nor are they as wide; yet they still have higher speed limits and greater enforcement of laws that threaten the safety of all driving, such as tailgating, failure to signal and talking on the cell while driving which means they have lower accident averages than we do. Plus, US highways were designed for speeds of 75+ MPH and I can attest that triple digit speeds could be safely traveled if people here would just learn how to drive properly.

The same applies in rural areas. Most of the busier roads in the San Antonio area where the speed limits are 45 MPH or less would be 100 KPH (over 60 MPH) roads in Europe.

I am talking from firsthand experience here, I was born and raised in Europe, and was stationed there for nearly half of my Air Force career. I also rode a motorcycle there in addition to driving, and if you really want to know about traffic you do it from behind the handlebars of a motorcycle, not inside a car.

If Americans were required to pass the same tests as Europeans to get and maintain their licenses, and followed the rules of the road like most Europeans do, we could see traffic traveling at a much higher speed and even more safely.

The old myth that driving slower equates to driving safer I simply that. The only reason most Americans who have never lived in other countries believe that fable is that because the only high speed driving they have witnessed has been by Americans who can’t drive at any speed, fast or slow.

Lastly, to end on an anecdote, when we last moved here from Belgium, we were out driving during a very heavy rainstorm. Most people start slowing down considerably when that happens because they are clueless as to how to drive in the rain (you have to slow down, but not as much as people do here), and there was one car crawling along IH-10 with its emergency flashers on. When we passed it (I can drive in the rain, it is a skill you learn after driving in Europe for over a decade), the driver was on her cell phone. That perfectly captured the so-called “safety” of driving slow, it doesn’t help much when you are doing everything else wrong!
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