San Antonio Off Topic Thread Part 3

[rd2007]

you definitely have to hear the whole story. I could easily see the little punk threatening the guy too and the guy called his bluff. Have to wait for the full story, though.
When I lived in base housing in San Diego we had a couple kids that took advantage of the I'm a kid and you can't hurt me thing. I was always tempted to get dressed all in black one night and change their mindset.. I'm sure the state of California is paying for all of them to sleep and eat now

[TexasNick]

Originally Posted by sapphire

You would, if you weren't the sketchy, kinda pervy guy that sits with all the kids maybe perhaps.

Haha! ouch. That does sound pretty bad, don't it? I re-read what I wrote and you're right, sounds like I'm the next guy in line for the mug shot. Trust me, I'm not one of those guys.

So did anyone find help for wCat? Or, do I need to contact the dean of UTSA myself?

[rd2007]

speaking of bigshots.. I got this thing in the mail for this business seminar at the at&t on December 2nd GET MOTIVATED SEMINARS:
has anyone heard of these? and what is the catch? It only costs $4.50 to get in and you get to see President Bush, Colin Powell, Tony Parker, Terry Bradshaw and others. I saw HW on my first ship, so it would be pretty cool to have seen him and his son (reminder for any trolls that the politics section is here: http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...controversies/). I tried talking my wife into going and saying it is for work purposes. I think it would actually be beneficial to her and her line of work. I'd REALLY have to stretch it to try that with my line of work... you know I'm going to try, though

[wCat]

Originally Posted by TexasNick

Haha! ouch. That does sound pretty bad, don't it? I re-read what I wrote and you're right, sounds like I'm the next guy in line for the mug shot. Trust me, I'm not one of those guys.

So did anyone find help for wCat? Or, do I need to contact the dean of UTSA myself?

Hey Nick...Nada here! The Dean would work just fine! srsly?

[wCat]

Originally Posted by jules07

But is no respect for adults a reason to SHOOT the kid? And the guy who shot him was only 20, BARELY an "adult". I'll wait till more details are out to "pass judgement", but at this point it sounds more like the guy was agitated and shot out of anger. Can't hide behind "Castle Doctrine" if that's the case.

I have to agree with Jules. I didn't see what time this happened. RD, assuming "mommy or dad" were out anywhere, a 15 year old is old enough to be out with friends. They were minding their own business walking on public property when they were accosted by this man. THE gun owner provoked them....not the other way around. Another hot head that has no business owning a gun....

[firstclassflyer]

Originally Posted by wCat

I have to agree with Jules. I didn't see what time this happened. RD, assuming "mommy or dad" were out anywhere, a 15 year old is old enough to be out with friends. They were minding their own business walking on public property when they were accosted by this man. THE gun owner provoked them....not the other way around. Another hot head that has no business owning a gun....

I would tend to think that there are many "hotheads" who have no business owning a gun, even though it's their right. It's a shame. They give the responsible gun owners a bad name.

[rd2007]

were they just walking back there whistling dixie or were they maybe back there tagging, smoking dope, lighting off fireworks, skateboarding, or just being rude and annoying. There used to be some kids that hung out on the drainage ditch down by my house and they pretty much did most of the above. I'm pretty sure those ditches are not public property and probably belong to the county, so kids should not be skateboarding or riding their bikes on them.
The guy did not pull a gun on them while they were in the ditch, he pulled it on them when they came back after him, or at least that is what the story said. I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on the intraweb, but I would think you could protect yourself if they were threatening you on your property.
There are still too many details left out of the story (typical for the local media here unfortunately), so we'll just have to assume there's more to follow.

edit- KSAT gives a few more details and introduces another twist: http://www.ksat.com/news/21348850/detail.html
If the guy just came back from Iraq or Afghanistan, he has a pretty good excuse. There's going to be quite a few people around you don't want to mess with.. Parents need to teach their kids that it is not their fight. I always told mine to get me and tell me what happened and I'll figure it out from there. 99% of the time it ended with that conversation because the kids weren't as innocent as they first claimed.

[wCat]

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Originally Posted by rd2007

I'm pretty sure those ditches are not public property and probably belong to the county, so kids should not be skateboarding or riding their bikes on them.

RD...if the ditch belongs to the COUNTY it is paid for by public funds....ie public property. There was NO mention of skateboarding or tagging so lets stick to what's been reported so far.

The guy did not pull a gun on them while they were in the ditch, he pulled it on them when they came back after him, or at least that is what the story said.

The story did not say they came back AFTER HIM.

I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on the intraweb, but I would think you could protect yourself if they were threatening you on your property.
There are still too many details left out of the story

There was NO mention that the youths threatening this man. Quite the contrary. Quoted from the article, "According to the police report, the victim and his friends claim Greenstone said he was in the Army, had just returned from Iraq and would kill them."

Sorry....this excuse seems to be catching. There is no pass for breaking the law or killing someone(attempted), because they were in the Army and served in Iraq. Possibly this is one of those unfortunate soldiers that needs more post traumatic stress debriefing. The police apparently had enough evidence to put him in jail.

If the guy just came back from Iraq or Afghanistan, he has a pretty good excuse. There's going to be quite a few people around you don't want to mess with..

RD...I am actually appalled that YOU, as one who has served in the military would promote this kind of ideology. It literally makes me sick, that you are painting this picture that we need to be afraid of anyone who owns guns that served in the ME. I know of two on this board that fit that description.....but there are plenty that have served that don't feel the need to be bigger and badder just because they lived in hell for a while. I know it changes your perspective on life, but the truly disciplined and honorable members of the military are still in touch with reality. The ones that are not, need to be in lock up until the world comes back in focus.

You have the right to wear that bad a** image on your sleeve, but the majority of Americans are NOT impressed by it. It makes a person look foolish and weak.

[rd2007]

ok, so yes, there needs to be more information put out. The story should have never been released with the trickle of information (mostly hearsay) available.
The rest will just drag down to a level I'm not going to.

[wCat]

Originally Posted by rd2007

ok, so yes, there needs to be more information put out. The story should have never been released with the trickle of information (mostly hearsay) available.
The rest will just drag down to a level I'm not going to.

Rd....good for you. Just a hint...you already took it there! We'll patiently wait to find out if they ever tell us.