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Old 04-11-2007, 03:44 PM
 
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Even if it meant becoming more like Houston (or Dallas, or the countless other cities across the country with toll road systems) I'd rather take that risk and be able to navigate the roads without burning gas, stopped in the middle of a 70 mph highway.
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:49 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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You do the same in both Houston and Dallas regardless -- from my experience, it's just a little more expensive.
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:50 PM
 
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You do the same in both Houston and Dallas regardless -- from my experience, it's just a little more expensive.
can u imagine them more if they don't have the toll roads?
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Old 04-11-2007, 04:03 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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The problem with that area, I'll make it clear that I'm not a civil engineer, but the lack of smooth transitions. You get up to Encino Park and they have a random stop light on the freeway which is disastrous during rush hour and switching to 1604 can't be done without stopping at a light either.

I do not think that we have to pay extra for money that won't even go to the government to have a smooth, supposedly congestion-less ride.
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Old 04-11-2007, 04:05 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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and as for Houston and Dallas, I dont know how to describe how they will be without the tolls since ive only been there a few times. I just know from my experience there, traffic is terrible (especially Houston) with a toll.
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Old 04-11-2007, 09:15 PM
 
Location: NW KCMO 64151
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Traffic isn't bad there because they have toll roads, traffic is bad because Dallas and Houston are both 2.5 to 3 times bigger than SA and adding hundreds of thousands of people by the year.

Whether it's done through toll roads or gas taxes or some combination, something has to be done about 1604 and 281, as homes and shopping centers are going up by the month.
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Old 04-11-2007, 09:18 PM
 
Location: with the vatos in SA
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The longer the city waits to fix this problem, the bigger it will get.

This is just another example of local government not making things happen.

Do not pin this on TxDot or the state completely, this is San Antonio's problem and the local government needs to man up and take control.
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Old 04-11-2007, 09:21 PM
 
Location: NW KCMO 64151
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The toll parties have had their effect on the local level (and in Austin).
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Old 04-11-2007, 09:49 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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I really don't think tolling is the solution to the problems here in San Antonio. Don't get me wrong, that animation was pretty neat looking, but I think if that area just gets rid of the annoying stoplights just north of 1604 and an actual connection to 1604 w/o a stoplight -- we wouldnt have horrific backups there.

And I for the most part love San Antonio, but I do think the red lights here are a lot longer than most states ive been too.
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Old 04-11-2007, 10:21 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I really don't think tolling is the solution to the problems here in San Antonio. Don't get me wrong, that animation was pretty neat looking, but I think if that area just gets rid of the annoying stoplights just north of 1604 and an actual connection to 1604 w/o a stoplight -- we wouldnt have horrific backups there.

And I for the most part love San Antonio, but I do think the red lights here are a lot longer than most states ive been too.
true...all you need are overpasses at encino rio, evans, stone oak, marshall, bulverde, and borgfeld and all the traffic will be gone

i believe the money was allocated for this but txdot spent it on something else
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