San Antonio should get a NFL team (Houston, Dallas: transplants, live)
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I stand corrected but if somebody wants to start an NFL team let them do it with their own money. Let them take up collections from all these folks who are willing to shell out money for a football team. Let the fans support it. Not the taxpayers. I'm sick up and fed with all of these rich entrepreneurs with their hands in my pockets. I could care less about a NFL team or hockey rink for a basket ball team why should I be forced to pay for it. Other business plans have to make it on their own merit. No profit, no more business. If it was such a great idea their would be investors coming out of the woodwork.
Right there with you, Bob. I feel exactly the same way.
if somebody wants to start an NFL team let them do it with their own money. Let them take up collections from all these folks who are willing to shell out money for a football team. Let the fans support it. Not the taxpayers. I'm sick up and fed with all of these rich entrepreneurs with their hands in my pockets. I could care less about a NFL team or hockey rink for a basket ball team why should I be forced to pay for it. Other business plans have to make it on their own merit. No profit, no more business. If it was such a great idea their would be investors coming out of the woodwork.
You're absolutely right, but what you're describing is not how it's done anymore. The leagues pit cities against each other, so that they'll compete to be the place that ponies up the most money. The argument will be that if San Antonio taxpayers don't cough up this money or agree to build a shiny new facility that the team will go to City X. That's why taxpayers should dig their heels in and squawk any time there is talk of bringing another major league sports team to town. Let the other cities this one!
If San Antonio grows enough to be a Top 25 media market, it will have some leverage to resist the demands to build a facility. Right now, it's market # 37. No sports leagues have 37 teams, so San Antonio must still compete against the other larger markets that don't have teams. The best thing to do is just sit back a decade or so and wait for that media market ranking to increase.
Seriously, its a big city and could draw in crowds from South Texas and Central Texas. Especially if the team had a spanish sounding name. In fact it could take away a large chunk of the cowboys fan base.
my opinion and that is all it is, probably also not worth much: NO, there are a few other places that should and will be next. Maybe 10 years from now and the name does not need to be Spanish. In fact I think that would be a big mistake. Look at all the hell that was raised over some of the colleges with names that were not P,C, do you think giving a team a spanish name would be PC?
You're absolutely right, but what you're describing is not how it's done anymore. The leagues pit cities against each other, so that they'll compete to be the place that ponies up the most money. The argument will be that if San Antonio taxpayers don't cough up this money or agree to build a shiny new facility that the team will go to City X. That's why taxpayers should dig their heels in and squawk any time there is talk of bringing another major league sports team to town. Let the other cities this one!
If San Antonio grows enough to be a Top 25 media market, it will have some leverage to resist the demands to build a facility. Right now, it's market # 37. No sports leagues have 37 teams, so San Antonio must still compete against the other larger markets that don't have teams. The best thing to do is just sit back a decade or so and wait for that media market ranking to increase.
Ummm, Green Bay#70 is smaller than SA. I know there's other cities smaller than SA but I am to lazy to point them out to you. However, I posted a link for you to review.
DMA Rankings - US TV Households by Market (http://www.tvb.org/rcentral/markettrack/us_hh_by_dma.asp - broken link)
Ummm, Green Bay#70 is smaller than SA. I know there's other cities smaller than SA but I am to lazy to point them out to you. However, I posted a link for you to review.
DMA Rankings - US TV Households by Market (http://www.tvb.org/rcentral/markettrack/us_hh_by_dma.asp - broken link)
Buffalo #50 Football
Jacksonville #47 Football
Memphis #48 Basketball
Oklahoma City #45 Basketball
New Orleans #53 Football
Ummm, Green Bay#70 is smaller than SA. I know there's other cities smaller than SA but I am to lazy to point them out to you. However, I posted a link for you to review.
DMA Rankings - US TV Households by Market (http://www.tvb.org/rcentral/markettrack/us_hh_by_dma.asp - broken link)
Green Bay would never get a team today. The only reason GB has a team is that the team has had public ownership dating back to when Woodrow Wilson was in the White House. As long as there's an NFL and a football stadium there, there will be a team in Green Bay.
My counter-argument to your Green Bay is Los Angeles! DMA Number 2!
I think the rest of your point assumes I was saying DMA #37 is too small to get a team. I didn't say that SA is too small, just that it's too small to think it can come to the table without money when asking for a team. (How much money have the taxpayers of Jacksonville and Buffalo ponied up?) I'm also saying that there are similarly sized media markets that also don't have a team (every market in the top 50?) and will be put in contention with SA for a major league sports team if one is made available.
Last edited by Bo; 06-08-2009 at 04:56 PM..
Reason: Added a couple of sentences.
You're absolutely right, but what you're describing is not how it's done anymore. The leagues pit cities against each other, so that they'll compete to be the place that ponies up the most money. The argument will be that if San Antonio taxpayers don't cough up this money or agree to build a shiny new facility that the team will go to City X. That's why taxpayers should dig their heels in and squawk any time there is talk of bringing another major league sports team to town. Let the other cities this one!
If San Antonio grows enough to be a Top 25 media market, it will have some leverage to resist the demands to build a facility. Right now, it's market # 37. No sports leagues have 37 teams, so San Antonio must still compete against the other larger markets that don't have teams. The best thing to do is just sit back a decade or so and wait for that media market ranking to increase.
Actually San Antonio is the 28th largest market in the country. Right behind Orlando. So we're not that far from being a top 25 market. And currently there are numerous markets smaller than San Antonio that have NFL teams. Nashville and Jacksonville come to mind. I also agree that a potential owner should be the one who funds a stadium. But in lieu of that I wouldn't want a chance for an NFL team to go by the wayside because someone didn't want a hotel/tourist tax to go up a 1/2 a cent or some such miniscule amount. That would be ridiculous, selfish and very short-sighted.
Last edited by bresilhac; 06-08-2009 at 05:45 PM..
Let's go to the point...
Do you think that the owner of the Dallas Cowboys would allow an NFL team in San Antonio to take away his fans plus South Texas and Austin?
Let's go to the point...
Do you think that the owner of the Dallas Cowboys would allow an NFL team in San Antonio to take away his fans plus South Texas and Austin?
Well, the owner of the Baltimore Orioles (Peter Angelos) "allowed" the Washington Nationals to move in just 40 miles away (in 2005)....Jerry Jones would wield his influence, but ultimately it's not his decision to make.
i think dopo has it right. dallas and houston would have a hissy. sa austin and south texas taking their viewers away from them
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but if somebody wants to start an NFL team let them do it with their own money. Let them take up collections from all these folks who are willing to shell out money for a football team. Let the fans support it. Not the taxpayers. I'm sick up and fed with all of these rich entrepreneurs with their hands in my pockets. I could care less about a NFL team or hockey rink for a basket ball team why should I be forced to pay for it. Other business plans have to make it on their own merit. No profit, no more business. If it was such a great idea their would be investors coming out of the woodwork.
