08-21-2009, 06:56 PM
Location: San Antonio
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It's called In loco parentis. Which means that schools can in fact act as parents as long as it doesn't break civil liberties. Which is why public schools can have dress codes, locker searches, drug tests ect...
I know this is what they call it or their excuse. The reality is something called ADA, Average Daily Attendance where the federal government returns taxpayers' money back to the local district based on attendance, no child in class, no money that day.
All I see from all this tightening of attendance rules is every year a higher dropout rate and those that graduate and go to college are less and less prepared for college work.
I never hesitated to take my children out for mini vacations or a "mental health day".
I will not crow of my children's achievements either academically or professionally, but all are successes in their respective fields and show no ill effects of the missed days. In fact, all can remember their days' off and our adventures rather than anything missed during class.
With this said, I never remember a teacher or administrator who did not encourage these sabbaticals from the classroom.
08-21-2009, 07:02 PM
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It's a matter of opinion and personal preference. I wouldn't take my kids out of school for vacation. My parents didn't take me out of school for vacation. In fact, I didn't know anyone who took their kids out of school for vacation until I was well into my 30s. I was sort of shocked to find out that people actually did that.
I agree 100%. My parents NEVER let me miss a day of school unless it was for a medical or family emergency. I teach at the college level here, and I never let students out of their in-class responsibilities unless it is a medical or family emergency (or religious occasion). If students miss, and if they don't have a documented reason, they cannot make up tests or assignments.
I thought that this was standard everywhere in the country. To hear that it's not (at least in grade school and high school) is helpful, as I'll be extra careful explaining my policy to my students. So far, no one has complained, although a few have tried to get out with flimsy excuses. A family vacation would not be a valid excuse at the college level.
Make-up work creates extra responsibilities for the teacher, and there's no way to compensate for losing the full in-class experience. It's best not to let your children miss unless absolutely necessary. Just my two cents. . . .
08-21-2009, 07:16 PM
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This last year was our first year in a Texas school, and we too were shocked at the treatment of kids missing school. A death in the family happened, and our kids' absence was marked as unexcused... even though I brought a program in, etc.. it was still unexcused in the school's eyes. ::rolling eyes:: My oldest child also has asthma & coughs her head off when it flares up. I had to keep her home here & there b/c of it.. and I get a letter "warning" me. ::rolling eyes::
My parents took my brother & I out in the fall to go on church conventions, and the schools had no choice but to work with us b/c it was a religious thing. However, as my kids get older, I wouldn't pull them out during school, but would wait until the vacation time, just b/c of how much they would miss.
08-21-2009, 07:22 PM
Location: San Antonio
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I agree 100%. My parents NEVER let me miss a day of school unless it was for a medical or family emergency. I teach at the college level here, and I never let students out of their in-class responsibilities unless it is a medical or family emergency (or religious occasion). If students miss, and if they don't have a documented reason, they cannot make up tests or assignments.
I thought that this was standard everywhere in the country. To hear that it's not (at least in grade school and high school) is helpful, as I'll be extra careful explaining my policy to my students. So far, no one has complained, although a few have tried to get out with flimsy excuses. A family vacation would not be a valid excuse at the college level.
Make-up work creates extra responsibilities for the teacher, and there's no way to compensate for losing the full in-class experience. It's best not to let your children miss unless absolutely necessary. Just my two cents. . . .
I agree college is different. It is a time to transition to adulthood and learn responsibility. However, grade school and high school are times to be kids.
Even with my prior post, we were selective in missing. With one, never during football season; with another, never during tennis season.
08-22-2009, 08:16 AM
Location: San Antonio
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We went to Disney during Spring Break and never again. Lol. With that said I would not pull my child out of school for it. Just plan a week over Thanksgiving or Christmas. If you look at the school calendar the students have a break of some sort EVERY MONTH!!! That should allow plenty of time for various getaways.
The principals hands are tied and has a responsibility to the state. It wont be an issue with a child in kindergarten but say in middle school they are only allowed a certain number of days to make up any missed work.
Yes, the schools have to turn in a count to the state. How else would the state know how much to alot for ? Its called being accountable and it's a fact of life like it or not.
When you have to teach a lesson twice because Johnny went on vacation and missed out, Diferentiation takes on a whole new meaning.
08-22-2009, 08:26 AM
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Schools in Texas are rated based on TAKS scores, attendance and drop out rate. If a school has too many kids out for too many days, then its rating can be impacted.
We've been in private school and one of the reasons some of those kids are there is because they travel a lot with their families. Since private schools aren't rated, aren't taking TAKS, they don't go crazy about attendance.
You will also find that the schools take attendance for the day at a certain time - say 10:00am - and they ask that no doctor's appts are scheduled during that time, or perhaps a kid sent to the school nurse at 9:30 might not call a parent to pick up until after 10, so that child can be counted present.
I know plenty of families that still take their kids out of public schools for off season vacations and they don't care what kind of grief they get from the schools. Sometimes they encounter a teacher who thinks travel is more important that sitting in a classroom (which is what our private school thought as well) but it's not the official school district attitude.
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08-22-2009, 03:22 PM
Location: Mid South Central TX
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Link to NEISD attendance regulations: http://www.neisd.net/pupil/documents/AttendanceRegulation.pdf (broken link)
Absences without a note are unexcused. (students have 2 days after they return to provide a note) Absences with a note are excused, but may not be counted towards the minimum attendance if they are medical, religious, etc., with proper documentation. As an example, I take my son out of state on occasion for medical care. The day of the appointment is excused-does not count towards minimum attendance. The travel days are extenuating circumstances, and, depending on how the attendance clerk codes them, also do not count.
Teachers are generally happy to provide the work in advance if it is ready , but are not required to do so. Students have the number of days that they were absent to turn in the work.
A child must be in school at the time attendance is being taken. If they arrive and then leave (before that time, which varies from elementary to middle to high school), they are absent.
09-29-2009, 08:36 AM
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I do not know if you finnally took your vacation, but I did have my case this year. My family tood a vacation that kept my son out of school for 5 days on the second week of school. All the teachers were notified and they gave my 15 year old son the assignments to be done during the trip, some reading and asked him to prepare for some tests as well. But guess what, I just received a citation from the court. The school charged my son and my husband with truancy. When I visited with the principal to inform him of the hall situation he said that no one mentioned anything about our vacation. At that point he had not even read my excuse note (the one my son gave them the day he came back) none of the teachers where asked and not even a phone call was made to us to inform us of the situation. This is happening at East Texas.
09-29-2009, 02:10 PM
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Have you ever tried to take a vacation during school breaks? Some of the most popular vacation spots where you would take your children are overcrowded and expensive beyond words. Airfares are doubled, car rental rates are doubled, hotel pricing is doubled.
During our 22 years in the military, money was tight. We always enjoyed our family time when we could go somewhere and not have crowds. Be it the national parks, Disney, cruises etc. We also had to plan according to my husband's schedule. Whether he was deployed or not. So one year we went to Hawaii before he got sent to Korea for a year. We took the kids out of school and went in May. Thank goodness the Hale Koa is there for military families to vacation at a reasonable price.
We worked with what we had available to us. And for some people 5 days out of school is worth it to save the money and have those experiences with their family.
I'm totally w/ you on this. This year they are really putting out the word that there are fewer excused absences allowed. I have some friends in other cities that have a Fall break (a week off in October) or a Winter break (February) that lets families take vacations w/o all of the crowds and high costs. If they would implement such a thing here, perhaps we all wouldn't be trying to figure out when we can pull the kids out of school for a week!
As a kid, my parents never took me out for a family vacation. However, we never went anywhere except for visiting our family member's house in another state. What I would have done to take an airplane vacation to a hotel! LOL! I vote for families being able to take vacations together. I have taken my older daughter out for a few vacations since she started public school 3 years ago. When it comes down to the time to leave, I feel kind of funny about it, but don't regret it at all later. We save a lot of time and money, also frustration w/o having to deal w/ large crowds. Best of luck!
09-29-2009, 02:16 PM
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I often wonder about the boys from McAllister park that were playing baseball that first week of school.
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Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)