The People Lost, the MPO Won (Houston, San Antonio: neighborhood, zoning, bill)

[SnappyBob]

I wonder why they decided to scrap plans for tolling Bandera Rd? Surely once they overdevelope and scalp all the land between Helotes and Bandera the same situation will exist. I wonder who benefits in delaying it. I suppose it will be an easier sell once they let it fester and spiral out of control.

[Dopo]

Did anybody propose improving all the roads parallel to 281 North to reduce the traffic? (Stone Oak Parkway, Bulverde Rd, etc)

Or is that just one of my "Dopo crazy idea"?

[slonga]

Originally Posted by SnappyBob

You're probably right Bowie, most people don't care enough to get out and vote much less pay enough attention to current events to know or care what is going on. They will be the same ones that will be all upset that they are being charged now to use a roadway that used to be free. I think a wanted poster campaign is in order even if just for the fun of it. We can make a poster with the names and pictures of all of the elected officials that voted not to scrap toll roads. More like a WANTED: OUT OF OFFICE poster. Just to make sure anyone who does care can remember these politicians names.

Sorry when you use the word free - you mean mean paid for by somebody else. Roads are NOT free. They are just paid for by somebody else. The advantage of toll roads is that the users pay. I like the idea of that!

The only people who throw words around like free are socialists who want everything to be free - i.e. paid for by somebody else. Like Free Health Care etc.

I support any politician who is brave enough to support toll roads - shows he/she has some balls.

[dvlpr]

Originally Posted by Dopo

Did anybody propose improving all the roads parallel to 281 North to reduce the traffic? (Stone Oak Parkway, Bulverde Rd, etc)

Or is that just one of my "Dopo crazy idea"?

It's not crazy. It's just that there's no money to do it.

[dvlpr]

Originally Posted by Spock's Beard

Hate to quote to myself, but I must add that I was in the mall a few days ago, and saw an early voting site. I didn't even know we're having elections or measures to vote on until I read the sample ballots on the windows.

For the past few years they're really not knocking themselves out to keep the public informed on issues, elections, and candidates. I watch the news twice a day every day (morning and afternoon), I try to stay on top of local issues, including politics, yet somehow in spite of my best wefforst tostay tuned in, elections in San Antonio get more and more low-key each time. It's like they don't want people to show up and vote.

Aw, c'mon. As a citizen in a democracy, it's your job to stay informed about local politics. It's not the government's job to keep you informed.

If I hated Nelson Wolff as much as you do, I'd be all over his next election.

[firstclassflyer]

Originally Posted by scuba steve

It suggests that at some point IMO. For those who live out there and think they're glad it's not them, precedence has been set.

Yes,it' will have been. We'll have long been out of there by the time that happens.

[ryneone]

Originally Posted by Dopo

Did anybody propose improving all the roads parallel to 281 North to reduce the traffic? (Stone Oak Parkway, Bulverde Rd, etc)

Or is that just one of my "Dopo crazy idea"?

Thier are only two streets that run parallel to 281. (Blanco and Bluverde) Hardy Oak could be another alternative. Stone Oak does a weird angle tear and I'm not sure they would ever want to tear up the very nice median on it.

[Dopo]

Originally Posted by slonga

Sorry when you use the word free - you mean mean paid for by somebody else. Roads are NOT free. They are just paid for by somebody else. The advantage of toll roads is that the users pay. I like the idea of that!

The only people who throw words around like free are socialists who want everything to be free - i.e. paid for by somebody else. Like Free Health Care etc.

Since you are saying that...
Tell me how many toll roads are in the United States that the "toll road people" actually paid for the land and construction of the road.
Or maybe toll roads are paid by somebody else (tax payers) and now somebody wants to charge people to use what taxpayers paid for.

Toll roads are just like vallet parking in Houston,
You used to park somewhere for free (streets and parking lot paid by tax payers) but now there's some guy standing there with a sign charging $10 to supposively watch your car.

[Mom2Feebs]

Technically, we're all driving on toll roads. We pay for the building and maintenance (or, lack thereof) of our county, state, and federal roads.

HOV or managed toll lanes are the best idea when you're dealing with infrastructure already in place, IMHO.

[stoneoak]

Originally Posted by Mom2Feebs

Technically, we're all driving on toll roads. We pay for the building and maintenance (or, lack thereof) of our county, state, and federal roads.

HOV or managed toll lanes are the best idea when you're dealing with infrastructure already in place, IMHO.

thank you! This whole argument about roads being "free" is ridiculous. It's not like Daddy Bigbucks is personally dishing out the dough to build, repair and expand the roads we drive on on a daily basis and the rest of us are just lucky moochers.

We all pay for all roads in some way or another. Boggles my mind how the same people who were boo hooing that they will not be able to financially survive if toll roads are built clapped and cheered at suggestions to raise the gas tax instead! Ah, hello?