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Old 11-01-2009, 10:26 PM
 
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Since the NISD 2010 School Bond is being discussed, here is their web site info about past, present, and future bond issues:

Bond : Northside Independent School District - San Antonio, TX 78238

Does anyone know where NISD is in retiring old bond issues?
Thanks for the post Steel Man. I'm going to peruse the site.
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:47 AM
 
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Nope, I'm tired of the school taxes rising. Do you know I pay school taxes on a piece of dirt? No house, no kids just dirt.

So, I feel that between my dirt and my house I pay enough taxes and these are schools we will never use as we don't have kids. How about the parents that send their kids to private schools-they get a double whammy.

How about we pass these increased taxes and extra schools on to the parents. What about a per kid tax will that cover it?

I mean good for you, your 4 kids are adorable, but why should I pay for them? You get a tax credit per kid- since you are all for the increased taxes for new schools, take your tax credit and give it to the county for education.

I love how quick people are to spend other people's money. I have never seen a city build more schools than SA. If there are so many people moving here and more schools need to be built, isn't there more money also coming in when these people pay taxes? How are the school taxes paid not enough?
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:07 AM
 
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[quote=Ms. 01 Snake;11447309]Nope, I'm tired of the school taxes rising. Do you know I pay school taxes on a piece of dirt? No house, no kids just dirt.

No, I didn't know. You did, when you bought the dirt though.

So, I feel that between my dirt and my house I pay enough taxes and these are schools we will never use as we don't have kids. How about the parents that send their kids to private schools-they get a double whammy.

Yup, double whammy. We pay for things we don't use as well..like prisons.

How about we pass these increased taxes and extra schools on to the parents. What about a per kid tax will that cover it?

Nope, doesn't work like that. Someone paid taxes for your education. Now, you're simply returning the favor.


I mean good for you, your 4 kids are adorable, but why should I pay for them? You get a tax credit per kid- since you are all for the increased taxes for new schools, take your tax credit and give it to the county for education.

I only have 1 child ..I think he's going to be it. No more. We donate a lot more than the tax credit, every year. How about you?

I love how quick people are to spend other people's money. I have never seen a city build more schools than SA. If there are so many people moving here and more schools need to be built, isn't there more money also coming in when these people pay taxes? How are the school taxes paid not enough?


It'll probably pass...so get ready to pony up. When you go to sell that piece of dirt, remember it's the good schools that helped bring your value up. /quote]
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:21 AM
 
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Nope, I'm tired of the school taxes rising. Do you know I pay school taxes on a piece of dirt? No house, no kids just dirt.

No, I didn't know. You did, when you bought the dirt though.

So, I feel that between my dirt and my house I pay enough taxes and these are schools we will never use as we don't have kids. How about the parents that send their kids to private schools-they get a double whammy.

Yup, double whammy. We pay for things we don't use as well..like prisons.

How about we pass these increased taxes and extra schools on to the parents. What about a per kid tax will that cover it?

Nope, doesn't work like that. Someone paid taxes for your education. Now, you're simply returning the favor.


I mean good for you, your 4 kids are adorable, but why should I pay for them? You get a tax credit per kid- since you are all for the increased taxes for new schools, take your tax credit and give it to the county for education.

I only have 1 child ..I think he's going to be it. No more. We donate a lot more than the tax credit, every year. How about you?

I love how quick people are to spend other people's money. I have never seen a city build more schools than SA. If there are so many people moving here and more schools need to be built, isn't there more money also coming in when these people pay taxes? How are the school taxes paid not enough?


It'll probably pass...so get ready to pony up. When you go to sell that piece of dirt, remember it's the good schools that helped bring your value up. /quote]
Nope grew up in a state with a state tax. We didn't pay a separate school tax every year. I have to say the prision comment is out of left field. I don't really think that debate should be brought into this thread. But, really I have a thought or two on how to save us all some money there-some just might not like it. But, would you rather pay to have them out of society or rather save the money and have them living next door?

I also went to private schools so sorry for you on that point as well. Really, you just give extra taxes every year? You just add a little extra to your tax bill is that what you are telling me?

Well, I hope your kid enjoys his expensive education. I mean I pay more in school taxes here than my parents did for my private k-12 education and more that I paid a year for college.

I mean that is pretty astounding when you think about it. And we don't live in some million dollar house either.

Sell my dirt? We bought it for a reason-like building a house. You really should stop making assumption about people.

I have the right to voice my opinions about how you parents spend my money. Just like you parents feel entitled for me to pay to educate your children. It is my money which it seems buys me the right to complain about it.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:38 AM
 
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[quote=Ms. 01 Snake;11448567]
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Nope grew up in a state with a state tax. We didn't pay a separate school tax every year. I have to say the prision comment is out of left field. I don't really think that debate should be brought into this thread. But, really I have a thought or two on how to save us all some money there-some just might not like it. But, would you rather pay to have them out of society or rather save the money and have them living next door?

I also went to private schools so sorry for you on that point as well. Really, you just give extra taxes every year? You just add a little extra to your tax bill is that what you are telling me?

Well, I hope your kid enjoys his expensive education. I mean I pay more in school taxes here than my parents did for my private k-12 education and more that I paid a year for college.

I mean that is pretty astounding when you think about it. And we don't live in some million dollar house either.

Sell my dirt? We bought it for a reason-like building a house. You really should stop making assumption about people.

I have the right to voice my opinions about how you parents spend my money. Just like you parents feel entitled for me to pay to educate your children. It is my money which it seems buys me the right to complain about it.
Yes, you have the right to complain, no issue there. Just prepare to pony up like the rest of us.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:43 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I was just reading the comments under the article that the OP posted. One comment in particular stood out. Since just about all of the growth and need can be attributed to one geographical area, perhaps it's time to split the school district. The area that needs all the new schools could go ahead and tax themselves all they want while the folks living in established neighborhoods that already have plenty of schools can tax themselves accordingly. NISD has grown too big. People living around John Jay for example are being taxed to build palaces in upscale far north, almost hill country, subdivisions. I don't have dog in this fight so I don't really care how much taxes people in the NISD pay but If I lived in the district I would be wanting a palace in my neighborhood too. Or be pushing for a district split. People should be expected to pay their lifestyle but not somebody elses.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX via San Antonio, TX
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Nope, I'm tired of the school taxes rising. Do you know I pay school taxes on a piece of dirt? No house, no kids just dirt.

So, I feel that between my dirt and my house I pay enough taxes and these are schools we will never use as we don't have kids. How about the parents that send their kids to private schools-they get a double whammy.

How about we pass these increased taxes and extra schools on to the parents. What about a per kid tax will that cover it?

I mean good for you, your 4 kids are adorable, but why should I pay for them? You get a tax credit per kid- since you are all for the increased taxes for new schools, take your tax credit and give it to the county for education.

I love how quick people are to spend other people's money. I have never seen a city build more schools than SA. If there are so many people moving here and more schools need to be built, isn't there more money also coming in when these people pay taxes? How are the school taxes paid not enough?

Cool. Then you can vote against it. That's just one against it. I honestly don't see a bond not passing. The majority of the bond money is going to the far west side area of NISD where the growth is. There will be a handful of land holders, like yourself, that will vote against it...but you'll be way outnumbered.

I'm sure when my part of NISD was booming (in the early/mid 90s) there were land holders (or dirt holders) that voted against the bonds (these were probably 1999 and early bond issues), but in the end they were the winners. Their property values went up because the bonds past and the school system improved and more people moved out that way. I understand this is a double edged sword since a lot of people are saying their property values have actually decreased in the past few years, but, then again real estate is an investment, this isn't a flip. So...invest in your land and the future of it (which includes the schools). The land holders in my area did and even sold their land for a hefty profit. So, maybe it would be in your best interest to vote for it so your property value does go up...eventually. Just sayin'.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:45 AM
 
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I was just reading the comments under the article that the OP posted. One comment in particular stood out. Since just about all of the growth and need can be attributed to one geographical area, perhaps it's time to split the school district. The area that needs all the new schools could go ahead and tax themselves all they want while the folks living in established neighborhoods that already have plenty of schools can tax themselves accordingly. NISD has grown too big. People living around John Jay for example are being taxed to build palaces in upscale far north, almost hill country, subdivisions. I don't have dog in this fight so I don't really care how much taxes people in the NISD pay but If I lived in the district I would be wanting a palace in my neighborhood too. Or be pushing for a district split. People should be expected to pay their lifestyle but not somebody elses.
Well, that's an idea SnappyBob. I don't know the logistics of it, or how feasible it is, but at least it's some thinking that's outside the box.
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Old 11-02-2009, 11:06 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Everytime I hear people without kids complaining about paying school taxes, I wonder how they expect society to function without education?

Theses students are tomorrow's adults, and if you don't want to hold up your end of the civic responsibility of educating them then you need to find one of those self-sustaining communes in Oregon and move there. Using your logic, the I should get a refund for the police, fire and rescue that never came to my house over the past year. Oh, and all the money that went to maintainance on roads I have never driven on; or feeding all the mouths that I didn't bring into the world! I am no socialist; but I understand social obligation and school taxes are just one aspect of it.

And, out of curiousity, who do you think paid for your education?!?
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:02 PM
 
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I was a member of the 2007 Citizen's Bond Committee for NISD, and was very impressed with the process run by the District. They were completely open and honest with us on to their desires, and understood when we removed items from the list. Dr Folks (NISD Superintendent) and company did an excellent job working with us, and I completely trust the NISD bond process having had firsthand experience with it.

NISD is still one of the fastest growing in state. It is also one of the largest. The staff at NISD are forward-thinkers when it comes to this rapid expansion, and these bonds help them manage the district. There was concern in 2007 over the amount of the bond ($692M, 50% greater than the bond just three years previous) but it passed which shows the majority of citizens in the district understand its needs. Without it, I don't think the district could cope with the rapid growth in the area...

Cheers! M2
I am also a big fan of NISD's leadership. And I agree with your "forward-thinkers" comment.
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