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Old 11-02-2009, 01:50 PM
 
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Cool. Then you can vote against it. That's just one against it. I honestly don't see a bond not passing. The majority of the bond money is going to the far west side area of NISD where the growth is. There will be a handful of land holders, like yourself, that will vote against it...but you'll be way outnumbered.

I'm sure when my part of NISD was booming (in the early/mid 90s) there were land holders (or dirt holders) that voted against the bonds (these were probably 1999 and early bond issues), but in the end they were the winners. Their property values went up because the bonds past and the school system improved and more people moved out that way. I understand this is a double edged sword since a lot of people are saying their property values have actually decreased in the past few years, but, then again real estate is an investment, this isn't a flip. So...invest in your land and the future of it (which includes the schools). The land holders in my area did and even sold their land for a hefty profit. So, maybe it would be in your best interest to vote for it so your property value does go up...eventually. Just sayin'.
Of course we will be out numbered-we are the minority that don't have kids. Of course we should be expected to pay our fair share for some who chooses to have a kid or multiple kids. That just seems right-doesn't it. I should be required to pay for the choices of others-it is happening in our country, why not San Antonio.

Just think it is funny that people feel that I will have to do it so I should just shut up about it. I will never be quiet when I am required to give my money away because of a choice that someone else made for their lifestyle.

See my point? Just like you folks that don't want the toll road. I would like to put my school taxes toward that since I will be using it. Maybe I can go to school and play some sports or brush up on some stuff. Think they will let me? I mean all I should have to do is show up with my tax statement right?
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Old 11-02-2009, 02:04 PM
 
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Of course we will be out numbered-we are the minority that don't have kids. Of course we should be expected to pay our fair share for some who chooses to have a kid or multiple kids. That just seems right-doesn't it. I should be required to pay for the choices of others-it is happening in our country, why not San Antonio.

Just think it is funny that people feel that I will have to do it so I should just shut up about it. I will never be quiet when I am required to give my money away because of a choice that someone else made for their lifestyle.

See my point? Just like you folks that don't want the toll road. I would like to put my school taxes toward that since I will be using it. Maybe I can go to school and play some sports or brush up on some stuff. Think they will let me? I mean all I should have to do is show up with my tax statement right?
I don't think anyone here has told you to "shut up about it". You clearly don't understand how the school taxes benefit everyone...not just those with children.
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Old 11-02-2009, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX via San Antonio, TX
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Maybe I can go to school and play some sports or brush up on some stuff. Think they will let me? I mean all I should have to do is show up with my tax statement right?
I see plenty of people using the tennis courts and tracks in my area on the weekend. It is your school. Yes. And the idea has been tossed around that NISD should share the libraries with the public like NEISD is. So then you can use/see your money at work.
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Old 11-02-2009, 03:17 PM
 
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Everytime I hear people without kids complaining about paying school taxes, I wonder how they expect society to function without education?

Theses students are tomorrow's adults, and if you don't want to hold up your end of the civic responsibility of educating them then you need to find one of those self-sustaining communes in Oregon and move there. Using your logic, the I should get a refund for the police, fire and rescue that never came to my house over the past year. Oh, and all the money that went to maintainance on roads I have never driven on; or feeding all the mouths that I didn't bring into the world! I am no socialist; but I understand social obligation and school taxes are just one aspect of it.

And, out of curiousity, who do you think paid for your education?!?
Since I am the only one with no kids talking about this I will assume you are referring to me.

1) I have a private school education-so no one but my parents-my active duty NAVY parents somehow paid for. Just so no one thinks I came from a rich family.

2) Have you met any of these adults of tomorrow lately? They sure don't seem overly educated. I mean for the money we are shelling out and the rate at which schools are being built in this city these kids should be excelling in every subject.

How much is private school a year here?

public education is what it is-probably why my parents chose to send me to private schools-but the way TX taxes for schools seems outrageous to me. Maybe because I see it all at once VS having a state tax but I know I am not the only one that has to sit down when the tax bill comes.

Why do I pay school taxes on a piece of dirt? Do I have an ant or deer family sending kids to school? Why do people pay school taxes on commercial property where no one lives? I mean you really should ask yourself if the application of school taxes makes sense. The huge cost is trickled down to the renter who trickles it down to the consumer. Are we really getting anywhere or is it really just a shell game?

Should people with multiple kids pay more? Why not? I hate to rock the boat and think outside the box but come on.
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Old 11-02-2009, 03:18 PM
 
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I see plenty of people using the tennis courts and tracks in my area on the weekend. It is your school. Yes. And the idea has been tossed around that NISD should share the libraries with the public like NEISD is. So then you can use/see your money at work.
I could put in a tennis court for what I pay a year in school taxes.
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Old 11-02-2009, 04:03 PM
 
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Since I am the only one with no kids talking about this I will assume you are referring to me.

1) I have a private school education-so no one but my parents-my active duty NAVY parents somehow paid for. Just so no one thinks I came from a rich family.

2) Have you met any of these adults of tomorrow lately? They sure don't seem overly educated. I mean for the money we are shelling out and the rate at which schools are being built in this city these kids should be excelling in every subject.

How much is private school a year here?

public education is what it is-probably why my parents chose to send me to private schools-but the way TX taxes for schools seems outrageous to me. Maybe because I see it all at once VS having a state tax but I know I am not the only one that has to sit down when the tax bill comes.

Why do I pay school taxes on a piece of dirt? Do I have an ant or deer family sending kids to school? Why do people pay school taxes on commercial property where no one lives? I mean you really should ask yourself if the application of school taxes makes sense. The huge cost is trickled down to the renter who trickles it down to the consumer. Are we really getting anywhere or is it really just a shell game?

Should people with multiple kids pay more? Why not? I hate to rock the boat and think outside the box but come on.
Wow..I don't have any kids either...but I don't think you're understanding. http://bestsmileys.com/clueless/4.gif (broken link)
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Old 11-02-2009, 04:08 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Since I am the only one with no kids talking about this I will assume you are referring to me.

1) I have a private school education-so no one but my parents-my active duty NAVY parents somehow paid for. Just so no one thinks I came from a rich family.

2) Have you met any of these adults of tomorrow lately? They sure don't seem overly educated. I mean for the money we are shelling out and the rate at which schools are being built in this city these kids should be excelling in every subject.

How much is private school a year here?

public education is what it is-probably why my parents chose to send me to private schools-but the way TX taxes for schools seems outrageous to me. Maybe because I see it all at once VS having a state tax but I know I am not the only one that has to sit down when the tax bill comes.

Why do I pay school taxes on a piece of dirt? Do I have an ant or deer family sending kids to school? Why do people pay school taxes on commercial property where no one lives? I mean you really should ask yourself if the application of school taxes makes sense. The huge cost is trickled down to the renter who trickles it down to the consumer. Are we really getting anywhere or is it really just a shell game?

Should people with multiple kids pay more? Why not? I hate to rock the boat and think outside the box but come on.
Well, since you seem to be representing those who feel they should've have to pay taxes since you don't have kids that go to school, then it was directed to you; but don't take it personally as I think we are both trying to keep this civil.

Having spent well over a decade of my adult life overseas, I have seen educational systems in other countries and my belief is ours is still lacking. NISD is one of the better Stateside systems I have seen; but it could still use improvement. That is why I have always been a huge proponent of education, it is an investment and one that is the responsibility of every member of society. And it is not just your property taxes that go towards the school system, a lot of Federal money which comes from our income taxes is put towards it as well. Still, I don't see it being enough. If you've spent any time in our school systems you will see how hard the staff there are working with very little. And despite what you may think, there is no abundance of resources to educate the adults of tomorrow. Sure, they are doing an excellent job with what they have; but trust me, it isn't enough!

You can go anywhere in this country and see the ramifications of a lack of education. Rarely do you see educated people living in poverty, those who work hard to better themselves through school usually have a work ethic that follows them for the rest of their lives. Yes, there are many who have worked hard for their success without the benefit of a good education; but I think we can all agree that the chances are much better for those who do have one.

In this great country, education should be an opportunity for all. I am sadden by the costs of going to college these days; but I will do everything within my power to ensure my children get the opportunity. It shouldn't matter what a person's social standing is or how much money their family has; if a student works hard and gets good grades then we as a society should do everything within our power to give them the opportunity to do so. Their future--and ours--depends on it!

By the way, do "you" (the group of school tax payers who don't have kids in school) have a problem with paying for other social services that you aren't the direct recipient of?
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Old 11-02-2009, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX via San Antonio, TX
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I could put in a tennis court for what I pay a year in school taxes.
I was just sharing with you the things that you can benefit from in regard to school district. And if you don't want to take advantage of it...don't. No one is forcing you.

And as I'm thinking of it..there are also continuing education classes that they offer (in addition to the tennis courts and tracks and oh...the amazing new natitorium and Ferris).
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Old 11-02-2009, 04:47 PM
 
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I was just sharing with you the things that you can benefit from in regard to school district. And if you don't want to take advantage of it...don't. No one is forcing you.

And as I'm thinking of it..there are also continuing education classes that they offer (in addition to the tennis courts and tracks and oh...the amazing new natitorium and Ferris).
You're right no one if forcing me to use the tennis court or the track-only to pay for them.

A natatorium? They are building an indoor swimming pool? Wow-these kids are getting the platinum treatment for sure.

Umm continuing education..on top of the 2 degrees I have. Maybe I can learn something sure, just too busy working so I can afford to pay these crazy taxes.



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Old 11-02-2009, 04:57 PM
 
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I don't think anyone here has told you to "shut up about it". You clearly don't understand how the school taxes benefit everyone...not just those with children.
No, you're right no one has told me to shut up, just implied that I have no say as I will be the only one voting against the bond or just how bad it is to complain about the school taxes here. I should be thinking about the adults of tomorrow.

Hey, lets just have a state tax and that can pay for the schools. Lets do away with the school tax based on property taxes (it really is a joke) and let everyone truly pay what they should.

So we "need" more schools- lets just up the value of all the houses and pass a bond-great idea. I wish in this economy I could see my house for the appraised value.

Can someone please just explain to me where the school taxes are for all these new people moving here are? I mean this is why we need more schools right?
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