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Old 11-06-2009, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I'm wasn't talking about specialists in my statement, or even this case in particular. I'm talking about the regular person that has no special animal knowledge going to the zoo and then trying to make judgements about the state of the animals. There are definitely more of those than specialists that know what they are talking about, yet I hear the later professing things about X, Y, or Z about animal A, B, or C all the time.

Read post #20, this campaign is not all heart, but mostly science. Veterinarians, zoologists etc. have been consulted.
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Old 11-06-2009, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Post #13, "I would think that she (Lucky) would be pleased"
...but not everyone does nor do all people do their diligent research before developing an opinion on this case.
This is true both for people that wish the elephant to stay in the zoo, and those that think it should go to a preserve. Plenty of people don't do due diligence when they form an opinion about anything. For the record, I don't have an opinion either way, whether the elephant stays in the zoo or goes to a preserve is really low on the important problems scale for me.
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Old 11-06-2009, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Read post #20, this campaign is not all heart, but mostly science. Veterinarians, zoologists etc. have been consulted.
I guess you missed the part where I said my statement was made in general and not necessarily about this particular situation. For all I know the elephant is unhappy, I was just stating that people like me, with no special zoological training, should not claim they know what animals "feel", at best they can do what you are trying to do and refer others to specialists opinions.

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Last edited by Chickrae; 11-06-2009 at 05:20 PM.. Reason: off topic
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:48 PM
 
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The Association of Zoos and Aquariums is the accrediting agency for zoos and they claim on their website that only 10% of the approximately 2,400 animal exhibitors are AZA accredited. The San Antonio Zoo is AZA accredited. The AZA makes this statement on their website:

"Look for the Association of Zoos and Aquariums (AZA) logo whenever you visit a zoo or aquarium as your assurance that you are supporting a facility dedicated to providing excellent care for animals, a great experience for you, and a better future for all living things".

Association of Zoos and Aquariums
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:49 PM
 
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Post #13, "I would think that she (Lucky) would be pleased"

Below is WHY I would think so..., I'll post an example:

Jumbos get fresh lease of life - India - The Times of India

Wcat, I am sure there are many (educated people) who know about zoologists, biologists, preservationists etc...but not everyone does nor do all people do their diligent research before developing an opinion on this case.

Back to the topic of Lucky, there was a press conference the other day regarding her situation, a veterinarian was consulted and quoted - perhaps I can find that...
Well...I thought I WAS talking about Lucky. ??? And OPINIONS formed about what LUCKY might be thinking. Unless all those QUALIFIED and TRAINED people actually make changes and perform MORE research, they WILL NOT KNOW if moving her is in her best interest. Where is the precedent for acclimating a 47 year old elephant who has lost her mate, into a foreign environment with a herd? If the experts have that kind of data, then they should present that......not just speculate or guess at what she would want or what makes her happy.

The other half of my question was never addressed, so I guess no one knows that either.
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Old 11-07-2009, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in San Antonio
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I don't thing this topic should be an argument. We can go on all day about how "things" should be thought out or said.

In looking at two photos one of Lucky and one of her ex..There was something definately wrong with him. Loss of weight etc. Lucky looks in good health other than she is probably bored ...horses do similar things such as weaving in stalls, pawing...chewing wood does that mean we get rid of the ability of people to have horses unless they have Bonanza set ups?

Zoo's are zoo's...if someone is not happy with the set up...that's what donations are for. I know lots of people that would never be able to actually see an elephant or a tiger...if not for the zoo.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:36 AM
 
Location: That's pretty obvious
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well -- finally saw African II at the zoo and all I have to say is -- after two-plus years of construction and how many millions of dollars - that's it? None of the new animals and birds!! (like that zoo needs any more birds!!!!) screams "Africa" to me. Truly disappointed with the whole thing.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in San Antonio
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She's got a buddy...they'll be chillin' (hopefully) in 45 days. I'm glad someone had some sense and not move her. Saw it on the news today *dancing*
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:44 PM
 
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I feel sorry for the Jaguar! If you think that the Elephant cage is small the Jaguar's is ridiculous. Every time I see it its just pacing bck and forth.
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Old 04-21-2010, 07:15 PM
 
Location: San Antonio-Westover Hills
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I went to the San Antonio Zoo yesterday and I loved it...I've only been to four different zoos in my whole life, but I think the SA Zoo is pretty neat. It is limited by its size, but it is really nice for what it has. It's very lush and I love the setting within the park. Yes, it can use improvements (and some serious updates), and they are clearly trying to work on them, but you have to have money to have improvements, and frankly, their membership base is pathetic. We became members yesterday--$65 for a family membership. What I liked was seeing the zookeepers out and about with the docents/volunteers chatting with people about the animals, and it was clear the zookeepers enjoyed the animals--and their jobs-- immensely. You never see that at the Houston Zoo! I thought the Africa Live exhibit was very nice and LOVED the hippos. Overall, it was better than I expected, and btw, the elephant seemed perfectly happy to me! Was playing with hay and a tire...nice big space and all open...
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