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Old 01-30-2008, 05:50 PM
 
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So the consensus here, atleast the consensus I attempted to illustrate with evidence provided is that at this particular point in time I do not think San Antonio could support a W or Ritz-Carlton hotel.

Do I think it could in the future? Absolutely - only time will tell at what point the city would be able to, but in order for a W or Ritz to flourish in this market, we first need to get more upscale shopping.

Think about it - someone staying at a Ritz or a W more than likely has money - but at it's current state, the shopping opportunities in downtown are extremely limited, and there is virtually no "upscale" shopping. You could argue that they could be situated in north San Antonio, but there's already a W hotel up there - La Cantera - and having stayed there, caters to a completely different market demographic than does a W or a Ritz.

What baffles me about San Antonio is that despite having a more sizeably wealthy population than Austin (families with incomes over $100k), you wouldn't believe it by looking at the lack of development that caters to these people. As I said, downtown Austin has revitalized itself with a condo/high-rise boom as of late, and of course this can be attributed to downtown Austin being a very hot area.

So really, before I can see San Antonio getting any hotels downtown, it needs to have something that draws large numbers of residents downtown, and not just the Riverwalk or Alamo.
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:56 PM
 
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So the consensus here, atleast the consensus I attempted to illustrate with evidence provided is that at this particular point in time I do not think San Antonio could support a W or Ritz-Carlton hotel.

Do I think it could in the future? Absolutely - only time will tell at what point the city would be able to, but in order for a W or Ritz to flourish in this market, we first need to get more upscale shopping.

Think about it - someone staying at a Ritz or a W more than likely has money - but at it's current state, the shopping opportunities in downtown are extremely limited, and there is virtually no "upscale" shopping. You could argue that they could be situated in north San Antonio, but there's already a W hotel up there - La Cantera - and having stayed there, caters to a completely different market demographic than does a W or a Ritz.

What baffles me about San Antonio is that despite having a more sizeably wealthy population than Austin (families with incomes over $100k), you wouldn't believe it by looking at the lack of development that caters to these people. As I said, downtown Austin has revitalized itself with a condo/high-rise boom as of late, and of course this can be attributed to downtown Austin being a very hot area.

So really, before I can see San Antonio getting any hotels downtown, it needs to have something that draws large numbers of residents downtown, and not just the Riverwalk or Alamo.
There isn't a W in San Antonio. Do you mean Westin?
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:00 PM
 
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Yes. W is a subsidiary of Westin.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:01 PM
 
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No, I think they are different chains from Starwood.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:02 PM
 
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So the consensus here, atleast the consensus I attempted to illustrate with evidence provided is that at this particular point in time I do not think San Antonio could support a W or Ritz-Carlton hotel.

Do I think it could in the future? Absolutely - only time will tell at what point the city would be able to, but in order for a W or Ritz to flourish in this market, we first need to get more upscale shopping.

Think about it - someone staying at a Ritz or a W more than likely has money - but at it's current state, the shopping opportunities in downtown are extremely limited, and there is virtually no "upscale" shopping. You could argue that they could be situated in north San Antonio, but there's already a W hotel up there - La Cantera - and having stayed there, caters to a completely different market demographic than does a W or a Ritz.

What baffles me about San Antonio is that despite having a more sizeably wealthy population than Austin (families with incomes over $100k), you wouldn't believe it by looking at the lack of development that caters to these people. As I said, downtown Austin has revitalized itself with a condo/high-rise boom as of late, and of course this can be attributed to downtown Austin being a very hot area.

So really, before I can see San Antonio getting any hotels downtown, it needs to have something that draws large numbers of residents downtown, and not just the Riverwalk or Alamo.
con·sen·sus /kənˈsɛnsəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-sen-suhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun, plural -sus·es.
1.majority of opinion: The consensus of the group was that they should meet twice a month.
2.general agreement or concord; harmony.

I'm not sure how you illustrate a consensus with evidence, did you take a poll of the members here? You might be able to illustrate a position, and hope it convinces people to come to a consensus, but reading this thread it is hard to believe that to be the case.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:27 PM
 
Location: NW KCMO 64151
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What baffles me about San Antonio is that despite having a more sizeably wealthy population than Austin (families with incomes over $100k), you wouldn't believe it by looking at the lack of development that caters to these people. As I said, downtown Austin has revitalized itself with a condo/high-rise boom as of late, and of course this can be attributed to downtown Austin being a very hot area.
Yeah, its a good thing Austin has a ton of upscale shopping downtown to cater to its W hotel clientele Wait, what??

And this has to be the first time I've ever seen 2 people saying "nay" compared to 10 people saying "aye" being called a consensus.
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Old 01-30-2008, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I think SA has focused more on its outer ring (suburbs), while Austin has worked more on its core. Vice versa, too. Austin hasn't been working as much on its outer core (check the freeway system).
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Old 05-18-2008, 08:37 PM
 
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10-pages of arguments aside, what is the world on the W hotel?
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Old 10-19-2008, 12:02 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Looks like a 15-story "Aloft by W Hotels" is coming downtown:
The commission also voiced support of plans for a 15-story hotel in the 400 block of East Houston Street, by the Maverick Apartments. But members said they want to study the exterior design before work begins.

The old United Cigar Building will be demolished to allow for construction of the hotel, which will be part of the "Aloft by W Hotels" brand created by Starwood Hotels in 2005.
(Voelcker first phase gets design OK (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/Voelcker_Parks_first_phase_gets_design_panel_OK.ht ml - broken link))
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Old 10-19-2008, 12:19 PM
 
Location: SoCal-So Proud!
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Actually, we'll be getting 4 of these. Scroll down to "Future Openings". These are like "minor league W's" ...nice hotels.


Starwood Hotels & Resorts
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