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Unread 10-20-2008, 11:27 AM
 
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i was in austin and the homeless are alot more aggressive there than here.
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Unread 10-20-2008, 11:28 AM
 
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I will chalk a lot of what I've just read to sheer ignorance or a complete lack of knowledge as to what is occurring in the downtown area.

For those upset about the homeless, well, that problem should be almost extinct within a couple of years with the Haven for Hope campus going up. Will it solve the homeless problem? No. But it will help many and keep them off the street as well as keep them mostly out of the downtown area.

A 20,000 square foot urban grocery store is in the works for the first floor of the Vistana building.

There's also the Riverwalk extension in the River North and Pearl area as well as the overall 13 mile SA River expansion. Do you know how many people would freakin' kill to have the Riverwalk, nonetheless a mile and a half urban segment extension? NOT TO mention a 13 mile linear (bad a--) park running directly through the city?

Then there's River North and the A&E District. Two developing districts in downtown that will flurish with great living and working options. River North being in what many would call North Downtown and the A&E District forming east of downtown just outside the central loop.

There's also the fantastic revitalization of Lavaca, South Flores and the continued revitalization of Southtown.

Houston Street is shaping up fantastically. The Vistana with a grocery store being one of the many things under construction or proposed for Houston Street.

The southwest area of downtown will soon be home to a new federal courthouse high rise, a new city government mid rise and a SAPD/SAFD combined HQ complex.

Rivercenter Mall is going to undergo a fantastic redevelopment.

A lot of great things are happening downtown and in the immediately surrounding areas, whether you know it or not. This is stuff that will GREATLY improve the quality of life in San Antonio in the long run.
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Unread 10-20-2008, 12:53 PM
 
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yet there is no resonable place to live and no major jobs to be had d/t to keep people living and working d/t
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Unread 10-20-2008, 01:17 PM
 
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I will chalk a lot of what I've just read to sheer ignorance or a complete lack of knowledge as to what is occurring in the downtown area.

For those upset about the homeless, well, that problem should be almost extinct within a couple of years with the Haven for Hope campus going up. Will it solve the homeless problem? No. But it will help many and keep them off the street as well as keep them mostly out of the downtown area.

A 20,000 square foot urban grocery store is in the works for the first floor of the Vistana building.

There's also the Riverwalk extension in the River North and Pearl area as well as the overall 13 mile SA River expansion. Do you know how many people would freakin' kill to have the Riverwalk, nonetheless a mile and a half urban segment extension? NOT TO mention a 13 mile linear (bad a--) park running directly through the city?

Then there's River North and the A&E District. Two developing districts in downtown that will flurish with great living and working options. River North being in what many would call North Downtown and the A&E District forming east of downtown just outside the central loop.

There's also the fantastic revitalization of Lavaca, South Flores and the continued revitalization of Southtown.

Houston Street is shaping up fantastically. The Vistana with a grocery store being one of the many things under construction or proposed for Houston Street.

The southwest area of downtown will soon be home to a new federal courthouse high rise, a new city government mid rise and a SAPD/SAFD combined HQ complex.

Rivercenter Mall is going to undergo a fantastic redevelopment.

A lot of great things are happening downtown and in the immediately surrounding areas, whether you know it or not. This is stuff that will GREATLY improve the quality of life in San Antonio in the long run.
I've heard the rumor that a grocery store was going into The Vistana from a few people, but it is not yet confirmed. Do you have any insider information? The site plan shows 25,000 sf or space available for lease, but it is divided into 6 suites (the largest being only 6,000sf). Unless the site plan has changed I think the grocery store idea is only a rumor.
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Unread 10-20-2008, 01:40 PM
 
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5,000 sq. ft. is leased to a bank and the rest is 20,000 sq ft of continuous space. The developers are exploring with the idea of opening a grocery store in the space.
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Unread 10-20-2008, 02:05 PM
 
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I've heard the rumor that a grocery store was going into The Vistana from a few people, but it is not yet confirmed. Do you have any insider information? The site plan shows 25,000 sf or space available for lease, but it is divided into 6 suites (the largest being only 6,000sf). Unless the site plan has changed I think the grocery store idea is only a rumor.
Another use being eyed for the street-level retail of Vistana is a grocery store.

“(Downtown San Antonio) is long overdue for an urban grocer,” Besing says. “We are in discussions with concepts that have worked well in other (urban) markets.”

Of the some 25,000 square feet that makes up the retail portion of Vistana, there is about 20,000 square feet of contiguous space. That would be a good size for a grocer catering to San Antonio’s urban residents.

Over the years, downtown has struggled to create the critical residential mix to make it attractive to neighborhood retailers — including grocery stores.

But the tide is changing, says Cross, who is the president of local commercial brokerage firm Cross & Co.

In fact, Cross’ namesake firm has plans to bring a “lot more housing to downtown.

“It’s only a matter of time before we reach critical mass,” he adds.

An urban grocer, Besing adds, could be a boon for not only the residents of Vistana, but for nearby neighborhoods, including the King William Historic and the Southtown San Antonio Arts districts.

Upscale apartment project seeking to tap urban pulse - San Antonio Business Journal:
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Unread 10-20-2008, 03:37 PM
 
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It's interesting to me that San Antonio is getting not a true W hotel, but a small off shot concept, dubbed aloft. If you examine the other cities on the aloft list, you'll see many are in suburban areas of major cities that have true W hotels.

As one other poster put it, San Antonio does not have the economic base to support a true W hotel, despite its size and status as a popular destination in Texas. Keep San Antonio lame!
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Unread 10-20-2008, 05:53 PM
 
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It's interesting to me that San Antonio is getting not a true W hotel, but a small off shot concept, dubbed aloft. If you examine the other cities on the aloft list, you'll see many are in suburban areas of major cities that have true W hotels.
And your point is?
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Unread 10-20-2008, 06:31 PM
 
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It's interesting to me that San Antonio is getting not a true W hotel, but a small off shot concept, dubbed aloft. If you examine the other cities on the aloft list, you'll see many are in suburban areas of major cities that have true W hotels.
SA has two or three Aloft's planned for suburban developments. This is a nicer urban Aloft for the downtown area.

Starwood is looking to build a W hotel somewhere in the downtown area and I've heard they want one in the La Cantera area as well.

The downtown location has been tricky for Starwood as they were close to a deal for a hotel on Houston Street but because of the price and the limited height there profitability wasn't to their liking as they would not have been able to build tall enough nor have residences.

If I had to bet, I'd say there should be some announcement of a W hotel within the next 8-15 months.

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As one other poster put it, San Antonio does not have the economic base to support a true W hotel, despite its size and status as a popular destination in Texas. Keep San Antonio lame!
Well if one pther poster put it that way, it must be true.

Sorry if that came off a bit harsh but that's such a completely untrue reality it's not even funny.

Ritz Carlton and Four Seasons were fighting to be the hotel that is part of the Eilan development under construction. Ritz Carlton actually signed to build a hotel in that same area in 1997 but the developer of the project they were to have been a part of ran into financial problems.

Another time there was a two hotel complex planned for downtown that would have featured both a Ritz and Four Seasons but that fell through because of the property owner.

Those prestigious brands want to be in San Antonio, badly.

Also, there's the 1,000 room JW Marriott under construstion.
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Unread 10-20-2008, 07:11 PM
 
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It's interesting to me that San Antonio is getting not a true W hotel, but a small off shot concept, dubbed aloft. If you examine the other cities on the aloft list, you'll see many are in suburban areas of major cities that have true W hotels.

As one other poster put it, San Antonio does not have the economic base to support a true W hotel, despite its size and status as a popular destination in Texas. Keep San Antonio lame!
The title of this thread has nothing to do with the planned aloft hotel. There are four planned across the city (Airport, Downtown, SO, and LaC). The two hotels are entirely different projects in different locations. The W has been rumored for at least a year now. They have likely run into trouble with the commission on design or height. It may take months just to get the design approved before they can finance and bid the project. Unless a major problem has arised, we should see an announcement by Summer 2009.

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