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Old 08-27-2010, 04:34 PM
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Do you know what I hate about organizations like AQUA? They always seem to show up too late. Where were organizations like this when developers were coming in here and butchering the land over our aquifer and building rows and rows of cheap cookie cutter houses to sell to people in search of cheap real estate?
Don't want to derail the thread, but I do remember some involvement by aquifer groups on development issues since I've lived here. Weren't they one of the groups that scuttled the PGA Village project and got it dialed back to the TPC project that was ultimately built? I seem to recall that the pressure groups extracted a commitment from the golf course operators to only use organic methods to treat the golf course as one of the conditions to dropping their opposition.
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Old 08-27-2010, 04:49 PM
 
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Again, that's only treating the symptoms. It would be like if SAWS (or BexarMet in this case) realized they now needed larger water lines out there-- should they refuse to install those pipes as a mechanism to control growth? Those people still need water and pay water bills.
But the roads are already there. They're taxes go towards maintaining the existing roads.

People should have known that the infrastructure there can not support continued growth. When I saw it years ago, I turned my car around and crossed it off the list. The fact that so many other people didn't is mind boggling. Who looks at thousands of houses in a small area with only one road in and out and expects to have a short commute? Why should I subsidize stupidity?
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Old 08-27-2010, 05:33 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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But the roads are already there. They're taxes go towards maintaining the existing roads.
I'm not sure what point you were making there. The roads *aren't* there.

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People should have known that the infrastructure there can not support continued growth. When I saw it years ago, I turned my car around and crossed it off the list. The fact that so many other people didn't is mind boggling. Who looks at thousands of houses in a small area with only one road in and out and expects to have a short commute? Why should I subsidize stupidity?
If that was how it worked, then San Antonio would still occupy about 10 square miles. Infrastructure (roads in particular) has always followed the growth, and people have always moved further and further out without the roads to support that growth-- this isn't a new or recent phenomenon.
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Old 08-28-2010, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Generally speaking, ALL residential neighborhoods generate less revenue (ad valorem taxes) than they cost to serve. And there are businesses in virtually all parts of SA. So that's not really a valid argument. We all pay taxes (and there are plenty of very expensive neighborhoods in SA with crappy public infrastructure).

My issue is that we're constantly subsidizing a living arrangement (sprawl) that requires tremendous amounts of highway/road infrastructure in order to function.

40 years ago...I wasn't around. Sorry. And I don't want to ban development. I just don't want to subsidize bad development. And I'm not just "sitting back and complaining". I'm involved in creating alternatives to sprawl...but it's tough when the vast majority of public infrastructure dollars go to "fix" places like 281/1604 instead of incentivizing the creation of walkable, mixed-use neighborhoods.
Had to give credit to FCF... wouldn't want to accused of lifting a sig without proper attribution.

My point on the businesses had to do with the significant larger developments in the sprawl areas (probably because there was empty land out there) if you consider anything outside of 410 or 1604 (La Cantera, Rim, Fiesta Texas, etc....). Still, I am sure the downtown riverwalk area contributes a substantial amount of revenue to city coffers... and much from outsiders!

You know it is funny, as someone who was here in the 70s, back then I thought that for the size of city (area and population), there seemed to be too many freeways.

Much of the system inside 410 was mostly built and while the next 30 years has brought more lanes to existing freeways, extension of freeways, and the addition of stacked freeway to freeway ramps, I think the population growth has just exceeded the development of infrastructure. To your point, the vast amount of infrastructure dollars going to "fix" things is due to the this mismatch between infrastructure and development.

To truly fix things, we collectively should demand our state reps to "fix" these things and combine it with managed growth... and that includes redevelopment of the inner core of the city.

Anyway, I still think AGUA is smoking from a water pipe after reading their complaint. Far better would be letting this funded intersection happen, but doing a better marketing job to get the residents in the area to buy into protecting the aquifer from future unmitigated development. That would be to try and restrict future development. Anyone who has ever been in the area where this intersection will be built can plainly see it already is for the most part a concrete jungle.

Instead, they turn off potential allies and turn this basically into a urban/suburban argument.

Last edited by Bo; 08-30-2010 at 10:38 AM.. Reason: updated quote to match original
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Old 08-28-2010, 09:18 AM
 
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At least I don't have a McDonalds in my neighborhood. Classy indeed. Nor do I have coke dealers in my neighborhood:
Stone Oak already going ghetto

Enjoy your cookie cutter house and traffic.
I have to admit this one made me laugh.
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Old 08-28-2010, 10:13 AM
 
Location: South Texas
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If the 1604/281 project does not happen due to AGUA, I and a lot of people are going to be really pissed.
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Old 08-28-2010, 06:46 PM
 
Location: SA/Pipe Creek
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If the 1604/281 project does not happen due to AGUA, I and a lot of people are going to be really pissed.
I agree. I don't live in that area, but I drive through and past it enough to understand what is going on over there and I think there is a sensible way to get the work done and still be sensitive to environmental issues. there is a happy medium but these politicos are myopic.

That project needed to be done years ago when things started getting built over there.
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:06 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, Texas
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I agree. I don't live in that area, but I drive through and past it enough to understand what is going on over there and I think there is a sensible way to get the work done and still be sensitive to environmental issues. there is a happy medium but these politicos are myopic.

That project needed to be done years ago when things started getting built over there.
AGUA's Board of Directors

Check out these punks. Let's pressure them into giving up. Seriously, though, how can we do that? These guys are disgusting for their short-sightedness.
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:24 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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At least I don't have a McDonalds in my neighborhood. Classy indeed. Nor do I have coke dealers in my neighborhood:
Stone Oak already going ghetto

Enjoy your cookie cutter house and traffic.
Again with the bashing people who think differently than you. We're thankful for the Mickie D's in our neighborhood! To each his own...
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:19 AM
 
Location: East Snobb
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Has anyone else noticed that on the AGUA donors page, that they have removed the donors? I am SOOOO surprised.

Does anyone recall any of the names on the list? I sure would love to boycott them!
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