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Old 05-19-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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It's not even the same thing. A business can do whatever they want. The first line should read Since the citizens own the city, etc. and not Since the city owns those vending machines
So we are going to have a referendum ($$$$) everytime somebody wants to make a change in the city offices?
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Old 05-20-2010, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Why is it the responsibility of any employer (public or private) to provide snacks (healthy or otherwise) to their employees anyways???? Pack your own crap and call it a day.
This is true, it really is not any employer's responsibility but it is a good move on their part.

With this change, the City of SA is sending a message to their employees that their health and wellness is important and moreover is even an asset.

In addition, the City of SA may attract healthful and forward thinking recruits whom wish to work for an entity that values good health and clean living. It is certainly not unheard of for applicants/job seekers to search out a company that has similar values as they do within their personal lives.

Again, people can still bring their own snacks, healthy or not, and they are perfectly allowed to eat those items at work. However, this particular employer, the City of SA, will no longer be stocking those items for sale.

Don't City of SA employees also recieve discounted bus passes if they chose to ride the bus to work? At least I know CPS Energy and the CVB offer their employees discounted bus passes as long as that employees relenquishes thier discounted parking spot (or something like this).

This also is an example of an employer making it a little easier for the employee to 'do the right thing' based on the employers values.

Employers have also been known to offer gym discounts, childcare, etc.

The City of SA is simply creating the corporate culture they wish to be known by.
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Old 05-20-2010, 08:23 AM
 
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This is true, it really is not any employer's responsibility but it is a good move on their part.

With this change, the City of SA is sending a message to their employees that their health and wellness is important and moreover is even an asset.
It always goes down to money,
if the city or a company makes sure that their employees are healthier (vending machines, provide a gym, etc) They can negotiate with their insurance companies for lower rates.
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Old 05-20-2010, 05:34 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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i think a lot of policy may be misguided or misplaced, but it is interesting seeing folks get up in arms whenever the word "ban" is used.

switching out one junk food for another, because it's "diet" counterpart doesn't do a whole lot for the waistline, health or over all eating habits. it just kind of tricks you into thinking it's FINALLY ok pursue this particular habit. though perhaps it'll encourage a few to say "screw it!" and bring their own lunch. THEN AGAIN, those who are flustered about a lack of ho-hos may just spend more money and bring more junk food than before.

in the end i agree with some of the posters; rejecting junk food and rejecting getting revenue for the sale of said junk food sends a good message, and i wish more worksites would promote more healthy habits. i don't think there's a problem at all with choosing not to allow the sale of certain items (misguided as it may be) on your premises. i /don't/ think there will be much of a beneficial impact though. those who want twinkies will get twinkies whether it comes out of a machine in your work's break room or not.


man, i want a twinkie now.
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Old 05-20-2010, 08:56 PM
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmm......donuts
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Old 05-20-2010, 09:05 PM
 
Location: San Antonio/Houston/Tricity
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmm......donuts
Hmmmmmmmmm.... carrots lol
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Old 05-22-2010, 01:59 PM
 
Location: San Antonio/Houston/Tricity
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MMMmm twinkie

Twinkie???
Here are some news about Twinkie:

What Makes a Twinkie?

The list of ingredients of a Twinkie is a veritable Who's Who of the food chemical world and the following is a list of ingredients as provided on a ten-pack of Twinkies. Take a deep breath:

Enriched Wheat Flour ( yeah, the flour is first bleached then enriched - go figure)
Sugar
Corn syrup
Water
High fructose corn syrup
Vegetable and/or animal shortening - containing one or more of partially hydrogenated soybean, cottonseed or canola oil, and beef fat.
Dextrose
Whole eggs

How's your stomach? Really? Oh dear... Well hold tight because Twinkie also contain this:

Modified corn starch
Cellulose gum
Whey
Leavenings (sodium acid pyrophosphate, baking soda, monocalcium phosphate)
Salt
Cornstarch
Corn flour
Corn syrup solids
Mono and diglycerides
Soy lecithin
Polysorbate 60
Dextrin
Calcium caseinate
Sodium stearol lactylate
Wheat gluten
Calcium sulphate
Natural and artificial flavours
Caramel colour

Sorbic acid (to retain freshness)
Colour added (yellow 5, red 40)

But Is It Good for You?

One 43g Twinkie contains 2% of the recommended daily amount (RDA) of iron but none of the RDA for vitamins A and C and calcium. Each cake has 5g of fat (2g of which are saturated), 20mg of cholesterol, 2000mg of salt, 25g of carbohydrates (of which 14g is sugar), 1g of protein and absolutely no fibre whatsoever.

So although not devastatingly bad for you, taken in moderation, Twinkies can truly be an ideal snack.

A Tale of Twinkie

So far, you may think that the Twinkie is an innocent by-product of the 20th Century mass manufacturing phenomena. And you'd be right. However, the following experiment will show the sinister side of this apparently innocuous object.

The Gremlin Factor

Do you remember Gremlins, the film about the cute little animals that transmogrify into heinous, thoroughly unappealing critters? Well, the same principle applies to the Twinkie.

For this experiment, you'll need one Twinkie and a high ball glass three-quarters full of water. Simply place the unwrapped Twinkie submerged in the water and leave it for 15 minutes.

When you return, your innocent Twinkie should have transformed into some kind of primeval goo from which several new species could evolve. Surprisingly, it still has its golden hue. If it looks like that in a glass after 15 minutes, how do you think it looks in your stomach after half an hour?
BBC - h2g2 - Twinkies - A516836

Best not think about it, eh?
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Old 05-22-2010, 03:22 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Sculley targeting junk food (http://www.mysanantonio.com/health/no_more_coke_but_diets_ok_94033414.html - broken link)

Since I only drink diet sodas, part of me wants to say that I'm glad that they are taxing "them". But the more Libertarian part of me says that the kind of ppl (young, espec lower class kids) that drink these sugary drinks will pay the $$ no matter what the gov't does to tack on extra costs. these kids just don't care and frankly I didn't either at that age. Parents from a lower income level won't be as knowledgable on the effects of corn syrup drinks in their kids' diet. I don't see how the taxes will help lower the consumption of these drinks, IF that is indeed the goal.
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Old 05-22-2010, 07:56 PM
RGJ
 
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Twinkie???
Here are some news about Twinkie:

What Makes a Twinkie?

The list of ingredients of a Twinkie is a veritable Who's Who of the food chemical world and the following is a list of ingredients as provided on a ten-pack of Twinkies. Take a deep breath:

Enriched Wheat Flour ( yeah, the flour is first bleached then enriched - go figure)
Sugar
Corn syrup
Water
High fructose corn syrup
Vegetable and/or animal shortening - containing one or more of partially hydrogenated soybean, cottonseed or canola oil, and beef fat.
Dextrose
Whole eggs

How's your stomach? Really? Oh dear... Well hold tight because Twinkie also contain this:

Modified corn starch
Cellulose gum
Whey
Leavenings (sodium acid pyrophosphate, baking soda, monocalcium phosphate)
Salt
Cornstarch
Corn flour
Corn syrup solids
Mono and diglycerides
Soy lecithin
Polysorbate 60
Dextrin
Calcium caseinate
Sodium stearol lactylate
Wheat gluten
Calcium sulphate
Natural and artificial flavours
Caramel colour

Sorbic acid (to retain freshness)
Colour added (yellow 5, red 40)

But Is It Good for You?

One 43g Twinkie contains 2% of the recommended daily amount (RDA) of iron but none of the RDA for vitamins A and C and calcium. Each cake has 5g of fat (2g of which are saturated), 20mg of cholesterol, 2000mg of salt, 25g of carbohydrates (of which 14g is sugar), 1g of protein and absolutely no fibre whatsoever.

So although not devastatingly bad for you, taken in moderation, Twinkies can truly be an ideal snack.

A Tale of Twinkie

So far, you may think that the Twinkie is an innocent by-product of the 20th Century mass manufacturing phenomena. And you'd be right. However, the following experiment will show the sinister side of this apparently innocuous object.

The Gremlin Factor

Do you remember Gremlins, the film about the cute little animals that transmogrify into heinous, thoroughly unappealing critters? Well, the same principle applies to the Twinkie.

For this experiment, you'll need one Twinkie and a high ball glass three-quarters full of water. Simply place the unwrapped Twinkie submerged in the water and leave it for 15 minutes.

When you return, your innocent Twinkie should have transformed into some kind of primeval goo from which several new species could evolve. Surprisingly, it still has its golden hue. If it looks like that in a glass after 15 minutes, how do you think it looks in your stomach after half an hour?
BBC - h2g2 - Twinkies - A516836

Best not think about it, eh?

Jeez, I didn't really want to know all that.,.

But that's why.................donuts
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Old 05-22-2010, 08:57 PM
 
Location: San Antonio/Houston/Tricity
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Jeez, I didn't really want to know all that.,.

But that's why.................donuts
You wanna hear about donuts? lol
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