Hesperia, Adelanto and Victorville, YOUR THOUGHTS? (Los Angeles, Riverside: mortgage, real estate, insurance)

[sheri257]

Originally Posted by SoCal78

All of Riverside County and The Inland Empire is a smog infested armpit. Alway's hot and like walking on the surface of the sun. Brown and yellow polluted sky's, courtesy of Los Angeles. No greenery. Always brown and dry lifeless vegetation. High high crime rate, due to extreme large population of hispanic gangs and illegal aliens there.

Well .. it may be an armpit but, it's an armpit that's growing really fast ...

People make a big deal about Texas but only about 36,000 people total are moving there every year.

Over 80,000 people are moving to the Inland Empire every year so ... it's actually one of the fastest growing areas of the country.

As for smog, that tends to disappear once you get out to the desert. You can actually see the difference once you get through the Cajon Pass.

[LouisvilleJake]

Originally Posted by sheri257

Uh ... that's not what this FBI link says. It's actually more like 612 violent crimes per 100,000 people in 2006 (that same number, btw, has been posted in the Louisville forum on this board as well.)

Table 8 (Kentucky) - Crime in the United States 2006

That's nearly double the national average of about 350 crimes per 100,000.

According to this link, Adelanto is higher at 553 and Victorville comes in at 608.

But, Apple Valley and Hesperia are substantially lower at 306 and 375 respectively.

Nevertheless, if you want to combine all four cities (they all contract with the San Bernardino Sheriff's department but, at the same time, they also function as separate police departments) ....

Table 8 (California) - Crime in the United States 2006

Then the total violent crimes per 100,000 is 453 ... still substantially lower than Lousiville at 612.

Regardless ... if people are worried about high desert crime obviously Hesperia and Apple Valley are your best bets .... based on these stats.

Sheri -

Apparently you're not understanding the concept of Metropolitan Statistical Area. And you're not looking at all the tables.

Table 6 Crime in the United States 2006

Table 6 is a table of all US Metropolitan Statistical Areas listed alphabetically. The Victor Valley is a part of the Riverside-San Bernardino MSA. The cities and towns of the Victor Valley are, in essence, suburbs of San Bernardino.

Also, you wouldn't know this because you do not live in Louisville - but Louisville consists of more than one police department. In Table 8 that you hyperlinked you will find the cities of Anchorage, Audubon Park, Graymoor-Devondale, Indian Hills, Jeffersontown, Prospect, Shively, St. Matthews, and West Buechel. All of those "cities" are actually in Jefferson County, Kentucky and all of Jefferson County is Louisville. In 2003 the city of Louisville and Jefferson County merged, but state law allowed the cities I mentioned above to keep their old police departments. That is why if you look at Louisville Metro on that table there is a footnote at the bottom of the page.

When you add the populations of those "cities" together with Louisville Metro you get the total county population of 701,400 (That is the population of the "new" City of Louisville). When you add in their crime stats you get a total of 4040 incidents and a rate of 575.9 per 100,000 in the City of Louisville.

The rate of 404 per 100,000 come from the entire metro area, which is Louisville plus it's suburbs.

Whats funny, and kinda sad, is that Victorville, a suburb of San Bernardino, has a higher crime rate than a city 8 times it's size.

Although, of course, I could find plenty of suburbs of Louisville that have lower crime rates than Apple Valley, and that would be a more "fair" comparison. However, the fact that the Louisville MSA has a substantially lower crime rate in total than the Riverside-San Bernardino MSA tells me that the greater Louisville area is "safer" than the greater Riverside-SB area.

[LouisvilleJake]

Originally Posted by sheri257

People make a big deal about Texas but only about 36,000 people total are moving there every year.

Uh....thats not what the US Census Bureau says.

Texas actually gained 579,275 people in only 1 year from 2005 to 2006.

Texas Population Change

[sheri257]

Originally Posted by LouisvilleJake

Uh....thats not what the US Census Bureau says.

Texas actually gained 579,275 people in only 1 year from 2005 to 2006.

Texas Population Change

I specifically mentioned people who were moving ... not overall population increases which includes births.

And the actual Census Bureau (not the Texas Real Estate Center which is the link you're quoting from ...)

Specifically says 36,000 more people are moving to Texas than moving out.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p25-1135.pdf

And, the Census Bureau also says 80,000 more people are moving to Riverside and San Bernardino counties than moving out.

[sheri257]

Originally Posted by LouisvilleJake

Sheri -

Apparently you're not understanding the concept of Metropolitan Statistical Area. And you're not looking at all the tables.

Table 6 Crime in the United States 2006

Table 6 is a table of all US Metropolitan Statistical Areas listed alphabetically. The Victor Valley is a part of the Riverside-San Bernardino MSA. The cities and towns of the Victor Valley are, in essence, suburbs of San Bernardino.

Also, you wouldn't know this because you do not live in Louisville - but Louisville consists of more than one police department. In Table 8 that you hyperlinked you will find the cities of Anchorage, Audubon Park, Graymoor-Devondale, Indian Hills, Jeffersontown, Prospect, Shively, St. Matthews, and West Buechel. All of those "cities" are actually in Jefferson County, Kentucky and all of Jefferson County is Louisville. In 2003 the city of Louisville and Jefferson County merged, but state law allowed the cities I mentioned above to keep their old police departments. That is why if you look at Louisville Metro on that table there is a footnote at the bottom of the page.

When you add the populations of those "cities" together with Louisville Metro you get the total county population of 701,400 (That is the population of the "new" City of Louisville). When you add in their crime stats you get a total of 4040 incidents and a rate of 575.9 per 100,000 in the City of Louisville.

The rate of 404 per 100,000 come from the entire metro area, which is Louisville plus it's suburbs.

Whats funny, and kinda sad, is that Victorville, a suburb of San Bernardino, has a higher crime rate than a city 8 times it's size.

Although, of course, I could find plenty of suburbs of Louisville that have lower crime rates than Apple Valley, and that would be a more "fair" comparison. However, the fact that the Louisville MSA has a substantially lower crime rate in total than the Riverside-San Bernardino MSA tells me that the greater Louisville area is "safer" than the greater Riverside-SB area.

C'mon .... this is ridiculous. If you're going to look at suburbs ... you should be looking at suburbs that are right next door. Not suburbs that are 1-3 hours from the area you're living in.

As you know .... it takes at least 45 minutes to 1 hour drive to San Bernardino, Chino, Riverside, Colton and even longer to get to Redlands (an hour and a half) and Temecula (3 hours).

Why? Because those towns are on the other side of the moutains. Geographically ... it's an entirely different area.

Yet these stats are supposed to somehow reflect Victor Valley as a whole? Only the city of Victorville is included in that link ... not the cities that are right next door .... Hesperia, Apple Valley and Adelanto ... which is much more relevant data.

I'm not disputing that Victorville has a crime problem but, what does Temecula ... which is three hours away ... have to do with Victor Valley? Absolutely nothing ... which is why this data is irrelevant. Hesperia, Apple Valley and Adelanto's crime rates are much more relevant.

And I disclosed both the good (Hesperia, Apple Valley) and the bad (Victorville, Adelanto). So I don't think it's an unfair analysis. As I previously stated, if people are worried about crime then Hesperia and Apple Valley are the better bets.

The same problem applies to the Louisville "metro" stats. It includes, for example, Clark County... which is not anywhere near Louisville or even Jefferson county ... Winchester, which is the county seat, is 95 miles away from Louisville.

Geographically, you have to drive through four different counties just to get to Clark County from Louisville.

Kentucky QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

This data is too geographically broad and not very useful when it comes to comparing crime stats. If you're going to throw in places that are located hours away from the town you're living in ... it becomes meaningless.

P.S. If you want to say that the "new" Louisville has a crime rate of 575 ... ok. That is better than Victorville at 608 but it's not better than Adelanto (553) or Apple Valley (306) or Hesperia (375).

When you combine all four cities for Victor Valley as a whole ... the crime rate is 453 ... still far below the "new" Lousville's 575.

Of the four towns that make up Victor Valley ... Victorville is only 35 percent of the total population. This thread is asking about the surrounding towns as well, not just Victorville.

[Guerilla]

Originally Posted by SoCal78

All of Riverside County and The Inland Empire is a smog infested armpit. Alway's hot and like walking on the surface of the sun. Brown and yellow polluted sky's, courtesy of Los Angeles. No greenery. Always brown and dry lifeless vegetation. High high crime rate, due to extreme large population of hispanic gangs and illegal aliens there.

Not true at all. The Inland Empire is a nice place to live, depending on where you are. I would say Riverside County is nicer than San Bernardino County.

[Guerilla]

Originally Posted by sheri257

Well .. it may be an armpit but, it's an armpit that's growing really fast ...

People make a big deal about Texas but only about 36,000 people total are moving there every year.

Over 80,000 people are moving to the Inland Empire every year so ... it's actually one of the fastest growing areas of the country.

As for smog, that tends to disappear once you get out to the desert. You can actually see the difference once you get through the Cajon Pass.

Uh...that isn't true at all! Houston grew by 187,000 last year....Dallas-Fort Worth by 180,000 last year, and Austin and San Antonio combined grew by about 150,000 last year. Texas as a whole was America's fastest growing stte last year, growing by 580,000 people.

Originally Posted by sheri257

I specifically mentioned people who were moving ... not overall population increases which includes births.

And the actual Census Bureau (not the Texas Real Estate Center which is the link you're quoting from ...)

Specifically says 36,000 more people are moving to Texas than moving out.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p25-1135.pdf

And, the Census Bureau also says 80,000 more people are moving to Riverside and San Bernardino counties than moving out.

Texas is still growing faster. You were reading the statistics wrong.

[sheri257]

Originally Posted by Guerilla

Uh...that isn't true at all! Houston grew by 187,000 last year....Dallas-Fort Worth by 180,000 last year, and Austin and San Antonio combined grew by about 150,000 last year. Texas as a whole was America's fastest growing stte last year, growing by 580,000 people.

Texas is still growing faster. You were reading the statistics wrong.

And you're getting these stats from where? There's stats on how many people are moving and to where ... and then there's stats on overall population growth.

As far as MOVING ... which is what a lot of people talk about on this board ...

Florida is actually number one with 190,000 more people moving there every year than leaving. Texas has only 36,000 more people moving there than leaving.

Read the Census Bureau Link p. 4: http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p25-1135.pdf

The metro area moving patterns (including San Bernardino and Riverside counties) are on page 8.

As far as overall population growth, that's a different thing .... it depends on how you count it:

If you're looking at total numbers, then California wins.

If you're looking at growth by percentages then Nevada wins.

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...stateproj7.xls

Texas is up there but, where people are moving to and how the overall population is growing are two different things.

[Guerilla]

Originally Posted by sheri257

And you're getting these stats from where? There's stats on how many people are moving and to where ... and then there's stats on overall population growth.

As far as MOVING ... which is what a lot of people talk about on this board ...

Florida is actually number one with 190,000 more people moving there every year than leaving. Texas has only 36,000 more people moving there than leaving.

Read the Census Bureau Link p. 4: http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p25-1135.pdf

The metro area moving patterns (including San Bernardino and Riverside counties) are on page 8.

As far as overall population growth, that's a different thing .... it depends on how you count it:

If you're looking at total numbers, then California wins.

If you're looking at growth by percentages then Nevada wins.

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...stateproj7.xls

Texas is up there but, where people are moving to and how the overall population is growing are two different things.

No again. Louisville showed you the link to where Texans wins on total numbers. I'll give you this link though: Metropolitan Statistical Area (CBSA) Population and Components of Change

The Inland Empire actually has about 60,000, not 80,000 like you said earlier. Page 4 says nothing about Texas on there. And it actually says Cali has a net loss of 99,000.

[Guerilla]

There has got to be something wrong with those numbers though. I saw something that said "per 1,000 people", so probably 36,000 people move in to Texas per 1,000 people. I am probably wrong on that (or not), but there is no way that out of the 580,000 people that moved to Texas over the past year, only 36,000 came from the U.S.