San Bernardino and Riverside CountiesThe Inland Empire
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I looked there.
Found some inexpensive condos, however the less the buying price the higher the HOA was.
I have one friend that owns a condo there and it was in the greenhouse Condos. There is a huge community pool and some units have a private patio, jacuzzi or small pool on their courtyard.
Very nice. Theirs wasn't remodeled and was just average but had the jacuzzi.
After paying high auto gas prices, brace yourself, the electricity is high as hell and the water prices are just as mind-spinning.
I would consider the Greenhouse condos but at the same time, I think I would choose something somewhere else. I like a gay beach or similar.
San Francisco is expensive, north of there in San Rafael is not to bad and can go to the nude beaches on the north side of GG bridge.
LA is a mess with traffic
San Diego is great and has a nice nude beach yet traveling anywhere by car is not fun and a long trip - either through LA or to the desert to the east. South is Mexico- Tijuana - yuck.
If you don't mind hurricanes, South Beach Florida, Miami Beach, and near Haulover beach is nice. Just stay near the ocean - as you go inland, the summer is too hot and more crime.
I chose Wilmington NC, it has excellent weather most of the year and is very reasonable prices.
When I retire I would like something more gay - as far as a nude beach or something.
I have spent a lot of time in palm springs area and I would say the area is decently gay friendly. Mostly the small strip in palm springs is where most gay activities go down. Besides the Desert AIDS project and its GALA in December, gay life in the desert centers on drugs and alcohol. If that isn't your thing Palm Desert has great places to eat and great activities. La Quinta is another good choice with great neighborhoods to choose from. Palm Springs has a pretty small population for CA and the gay community is pretty transient. Still its a great place to live and retire
Any Comparison To Retirement In Long Beach/San Diego?
I would like to retire in two years. I am 56 and in LA now. I've never been to Palm Springs, but being a single gay man I'm looking for a primarily gay senior area that is friendly (non-sexual). The summer weather in Palm Springs sounds terrible though.
I'm wondering if any seniors out there have any comparisons between LA and Palm Springs. I guess Long Beach might be the most affordable place for a gay retiree in the LA area (not rich here, but should be able to get about 60K/year from my investments).
I'm mostly interested in meeting some people that I can become friends with in retirement, when I have a lot more time on my hands.
I have to strongly disagree with, "Goodbye California" and I find it sad to hear other Gay's put down each other with stereotype's. I am a Gay man and have lived here for many years, in those years I have had the pleasure to meet so many other Gay men that are fun, loving and good hearted. For most of my life I have lived as a minority and sadly dealt with homophobia on a large scale, here I don't have to deal with that as much but even here there is an amount of homophobia that is still unacceptable in a civilized society. We see what we want to see and I believe that people that see the bad side will see it in some way no matter where they live. Did Goodbye California hang out in bars to see this poor side of Gay life, did not enough people respond to him in a positive manner when he was in those bars he puts down, I don't know. I rarely hang out in the bars but the times I do go to them it's a wonderful night out whether meeting new people, playing pool, people watching or karaoke. Drugs and sex he mentions, that is a big problem world wide, not just in the Gay community so stop playing the role of the Gay cop seeking out offenders, there are many many Gay people living a life of sobriety or drinking in a responsible social manner, why you could not find them is your own fault. I used to hang around with a big group of men, we went to restaurants, hiked, went to movies, sat around dinner tables and living rooms with wonderful conversation and yes some of us had sex because it is a wonderful thing that humans do. I'm sorry to hear you only saw the bad side and ran off to find your utopia elsewhere, I doubt you will ever find the utopia you seek until you stop seeing the bad around you and find some of the good that is all around us. Palm Springs is a wonderful place to move if you are Gay or straight, the only bad part I find is July, August and September when it is ungodly hot and I long for a month at a beach town and can't quite swing it but ahhh the rest of the year is amazing.
Do gay and upscale go together. It would appear these communities and not just this one here, are marketed to affluent gay people. There is something wrong with this picture.
Palm Springs is marketed to rich, affluent, gay TOURISTS, who live on the Californian Coast from San Francisco down to San Diego, and can afford to come into town and pay $500 a night for motels.
However, the gay RESIDENTS and straight residents (most are straight) are mostly far from rich; the median income of the city is just $40,000 (compared to over twice that in Seattle, Portland, San Diego, San Francisco). Most, work in the hotel / hospitality industries serving rich gay men from the coast, or, are artists, writers, and so on.
Retired gay men in Palm Springs are mostly *NOT* wealthy, nor are they into the "bar scene." They move there to retire and relax and have a nice house in the desert. They often move in and fix up older, mid century modern properties. Palm Springs is *ABSOLUTELY NOT* a rich enclave like Hillcrest, West Hollywood, Portland, or Seattle.
As for the younger crowd, they are mostly tourists, and they are into the bar and resort scene. However, City Officials and retired straight folks try to keep nightlife to a minimum since it's a retirement town. The Wallgreens on south palm canyon closes at 10pm !
Rental housing costs are very cheap, since property managers, except for CONAM Management who has destroyed the local rental market, do not use Rent Maximizing Software programs to increase rents. A one bedroom from a private landlord or local property manager (there are several still left who haven't sold out to the greedy tenticles of CONAM), averages $800 compared to $2000 on the coast.
As a result of these prices, there are a lot of straight folks who move from Western Riverside County to the Palm Springs side, in order to get cheaper rents.
Some of the straight folks from western riverside county, are conservative, mixing in their lifted pickups and so on into the otherwise gay and retired atmosphere. Somehow, people still get along. All of the inland empire will accumulate more single people, gay and straight, due to the property managers like CONAM, MG, and the Irvine Company who are greedy and raise rents by 10% to 25% a year, on the coast.
The above is also true of Joshua Tree, Yucca Valley, Redlands, Yucaipa, Victorville, in terms of the prices and property managers, however there is much less of a gay population in these other cities.
Due to new freeways in Central Riverside County, and Northern San Diego County, the ocean is now about 20 minutes closer (in Carlsbad and Oceanside).
Other GLBT friendly places that are cheap are hard to find in the southwest, they include Vegas, Phoenix, Albuquerque, and Santa Fe.
Yucaipa, will probably also accumulate more gays and straight singles, since it is closer to major employment centers in Riverside and San Bernardino Counties, and so far the property managers haven't taken it over yet. This, could change at a moments notice if CONAM decides to take over.
Shawna Gregory, now runs rent maximizing at CONAM. As you can see these executives have extensive backgrounds and earn six figure salaries - Her linkedin site hasn't been updated to include her recent transition to CONAM -
I have a close family member who bought a very nice condo in Palm Springs about three years ago. His value has gone up about 35% since. (Though still affordable). The gay lifestyle is not "in your face", for lack of a better term, here. Though it IS totally accepted, and has been for decades. BTW, he is not into the bar scene, or other such clubs. He just wanted to live in an accepting community with nice weather. I am not sure why this is so unusual.
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