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Old 06-23-2008, 02:20 PM
 
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San Bernardino Sheriff investigators routinely fail to fully investigate citizens' complaints against allegedly abusive officers, often omitting or altering crucial information in ways that help exonerate the officers. I am asking for the County Supervisors to step up and internally investigate citizen’s complaints. If you can examine alleged complaints you will find nearly half of the time you will have found some sort of flaw, including investigators who inaccurately recorded statements and failed to interview witnesses or identify accused officers. In some cases investigators, I am sure failed to address allegations of misconduct at all. We as citizens are always concerned about the quality of their investigations and citizens believe it is essential to maintain the integrity of the complaint process. Conclusion that the accusations against officers were "unfounded" would have been different if the investigations had been handled better. The police appear to be faulted for failing to interview witnesses and further their investigation about claims made. Investigators fail to identify any wrong doing. You cannot ask police to investigate their buddies and friends. We've got the wrong paradigm for vigorously pursuing complaints. We as a citizens have a tremendous interest in not keeping bad cops around.
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Old 06-24-2008, 04:43 AM
 
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Completely false. Your statements deserve no further response.
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:51 PM
 
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Completely false. Your statements deserve no further response.
It would appear that you must be one of the few that has not had any interaction with the SanBodo Sheriffs Dept, or had a situation that requireds their "SERVICES". I can only say , keep your fingers crossed it never happens !
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Old 06-26-2008, 11:08 PM
 
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What would appear to be, is not so. I am not one of the few. I have had interaction and it was far from what brady has stated. My fingers do not need crossing, but thanks.
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:17 AM
 
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What would appear to be, is not so. I am not one of the few. I have had interaction and it was far from what brady has stated. My fingers do not need crossing, but thanks.
***** You're welcome. FACT.....You are one of the lucky ones. Fact is,as was stated in the OP your interaction was only 1 of the thousands of interactions the Sheriff's Dept. handle on a daily basis. I personally know of many that were not handled properly from my own experances. i.e. False statements by Officers, sloppy investigations, wrongly placing blame or cause in vehicle accidents when their own reports show that other party's were responsiable. and even when these facts were brought to their attention they failed to respond to the complaint, this is required by LAW of all public agency's ( guess they don't make mistakes?).
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Old 06-29-2008, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Lettuce Land
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You cannot ask police to investigate their buddies and friends. We've got the wrong paradigm for vigorously pursuing complaints. We as a citizens have a tremendous interest in not keeping bad cops around.
You've expressed your opinion, Wordsunspoken has offered another and Fighter 1 yet one more. May I offer mine? From the perspective of a former SO supervisor in a neighboring county?

First, it's obvious there IS a problem with some of the SO's beat deputies in your area. The sheriff is elected every four years and if he or she can't run a clean, efficient department with acceptable community relations they need to be unelected and replaced. That's simple. If you can't get the local media to tie in with you on that then something bigger is wrong, imo. And I agree about not keeping bad cops around. Back when I wore a badge that was my biggest job. Weeding out the "weeds". The cops I trained and accepted would have contacted you to iron it out if they knew there had been some type of problem.

But you actually SHOULD be able to count on LE to thoroughly and fairly investigate citizen's complaints against their officers. They are in the best possible place to do this. You, as a citizen, are not. For many reasons. No matter how fair-minded you think you are. [Think of it this way. Could you as an accountant also judge the technical competence of a brain surgeon accused of malpractice?]

Most cops hate Internal Affairs divisions because they know that cops are harder on their own than outsiders. All this supposes that you as a citizen are fairly following the citizen's complaint process. Keep your complaints impersonal and to the point. And keep a written record of them. If the local SO doesn't resolve them fairly and promptly, contact the state AG's office and file a complaint with them. Making sure you have the paperwork to back you up.

In my experience most citizen's complaints came from misunderstanding what had actually happened. Have you spoken to the commander of the patrol or IA division? Or the undersheriff. Or sheriff? They each have an interest in maintaining fair and equitable community relations. Sometimes speaking with them saves beau coup time.

Good luck
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Old 06-29-2008, 07:07 PM
 
Location: GLAMA
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I would think the SBCSO would be especially eager to make sure this stuff was investigated, in the wake of the unnecessary shooting by former Deputy Ivory Webb. Ex-deputy charged with shooting Iraq veteran - DailyBulletin.com
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Old 07-04-2008, 10:28 PM
 
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I would think the SBCSO would be especially eager to make sure this stuff was investigated, in the wake of the unnecessary shooting by former Deputy Ivory Webb. Ex-deputy charged with shooting Iraq veteran - DailyBulletin.com
Fact of the matter is that the sheriff's dept. does not think they have to respond and they haven't in the cases i refered to . even though the officer's report in his own writing states facts that do not support his conclusion as to who was responsiable for this particular accident. and added to this that although 2 demand letters have been sent to the station in Yucaipa. Why complain to the seinor officers they all ready know of the problem their in Yucaipa The letters were sent to them ,There has been no responce. it has been 4 mo. now. and most likly there will be none.
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Old 07-11-2008, 06:15 PM
 
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If someone has this much interest in the day-to-day dealings of the police, and is not a member or related to one, it says a lot about the person. Don't do anything or be around anyone who does anything that would require the police. Yea, there are officers who take power to their heads, but if you're not doing anything wrong, what difference, really, does that make?
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:45 AM
 
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If someone has this much interest in the day-to-day dealings of the police, and is not a member or related to one, it says a lot about the person. Don't do anything or be around anyone who does anything that would require the police. Yea, there are officers who take power to their heads, but if you're not doing anything wrong, what difference, really, does that make?
The differance is that the insident that i refered to was an accident that was not the fault of the victim in this case but because of the neglect or in proper training of this officer the victim has been injured a 2nd time by the police that are there to protect not injured . and yes we all make mistakes from time to time but when presented with facts that show clearly there has been a wrong done , and there is totaly no response from those who's job it is to state the facts correctly and report events correctly also in doing this action the officer has actually violated the persons constitutional rights to due process. TITLE 42, 1983, Some thing that the officer swore an oath to uphold when he put on the Uniform and Badge He is a TERRIOST by his actions . Don't believe me that look it up for your self. See she didn't do anything wrong either She was and is a victim. Would be more than happy to make document available to anyone that likes to see them DM me.
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