Need a pediatrician who supports not vaccinating? (title, weather)

[djxpress]

Originally Posted by Anak

I only wish that those who are so adamant about the rights of others with regard to vaccines were equally adamant about the rights of unborn children.

Some of those who are adamant about vaccines are pro-life, some are pro-choice. What that has to do with the argument at hand is a mystery to me.

[Anak]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

The point I was trying to make is that combination vaccines are tested for efficacy and safety.

Then you missed my concern.

What I want to see are the studies on the effects of the multiple combination vaccines administered simultaneously.

In case you didn't know, they give multiple shots of different combination vaccines all at once.

That's a lot of interesting chemicals all interacting at one time in a very small body.

Why aren't there more studies?

The answer is money.

It's not an adequate answer.

Not for me and my children.

[Anak]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

Please do not bring abortion into this discussion. It has no place here.

Making a decision on behalf of one who cannot make a decision is making a decision on behalf of one who cannot make a decision.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by Anak

Then you missed my concern.

What I want to see are the studies on the effects of the multiple combination vaccines administered simultaneously.

In case you didn't know, they give multiple shots of different combination vaccines all at once.

That's a lot of interesting chemicals all interacting at one time in a very small body.

Why aren't there more studies?

The answer is money.

It's not an adequate answer.

Not for me and my children.

The studies have been done. See here:

Antibody responses of healthy infants to concurren... [BioDrugs. 2001] - PubMed result

Combined DTP-HBV-HIB vaccine versus separately adm... [Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2009] - PubMed result

A liquid hexavalent combined vaccine against dipht... [Vaccine. 2004] - PubMed result

And your child eats and breathes more "interesting chemicals" in a day than are in any vaccine. The "he's so tiny, this must be bad" argument has no basis of support. He may be little, but unless he is ill or has a known immune defect, getting multiple vaccines in as few injections as possible is the way to go.

In addition, postmarketing surveillance would pick up adverse effects that occur so infrequently that they may not be apparent until many doses are administered.

What specific vaccines are you worried about?

[DCStudent]

Originally Posted by shmoov_groovzsd

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one" -Spock

so true.

[janineg]

As I've written, we do vaccinate, but I don't have a knee-jerk defense or condemnation of them. The one I didn't see the sense of is the Hep B shot given to newborns. From what I read, it has high levels of aluminum in it, much higher than what has been found safe for a premature baby or someone with compromised kidneys. And it sounds like no studies have been done in normal weight newborns to see if the levels of Al in that vaccine are safe. So, that was the vaccine that we delayed giving. Here's a synopsis of the information I just paraphrased: AskDrSears - Updates for The Vaccine Book (http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/vaccine_faq.asp - broken link)
Dr. Sears does believe in vaccines, but takes a considered approach to each one.
Janine

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by janineg

As I've written, we do vaccinate, but I don't have a knee-jerk defense or condemnation of them. The one I didn't see the sense of is the Hep B shot given to newborns. From what I read, it has high levels of aluminum in it, much higher than what has been found safe for a premature baby or someone with compromised kidneys. And it sounds like no studies have been done in normal weight newborns to see if the levels of Al in that vaccine are safe. So, that was the vaccine that we delayed giving. Here's a synopsis of the information I just paraphrased: AskDrSears - Updates for The Vaccine Book (http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/vaccine_faq.asp - broken link)
Dr. Sears does believe in vaccines, but takes a considered approach to each one.
Janine

See here:

Common Ingredients in U.S. Licensed Vaccines

"Aluminum adjuvant containing vaccines have a demonstrated safety profile of over six decades of use and have only uncommonly been associated with severe local reactions. Of note, the most common source of exposure to aluminum is from eating food or drinking water."

Can you provide the FDA source for your statements?

[janineg]

Here is one of the FDA sources for my statements. It's an article warning of aluminum given intravenously to newborns: http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/98fr/oc0367.pdf
This is a paragraph from that article, and note that they write that aluminum taken through food is much less dangerous than aluminum going right into the bloodstream: "Research indicates that neonates and patient
populations with impaired kidney function may be at high risk of exposure
to unsafe amounts of aluminum. Studies show that aluminum may accumulate
in the bone, urine, and plasma of infants receiving TPN. Many drug products
used routinely in parenteral therapy may contain levels of aluminum
sufficiently high to cause clinical manifestations. Generally, when medication
and nutrition are administered orally, the gastrointestinal tract acts as an
efficient barrier to the absorption of aluminum, and relatively little ingested
aluminum actually reaches body tissues. However, parenterally administered
drug products containing aluminum bypass the protective mechanism of the
gastrointestinal tract and aluminum circulates and is deposited in human
tissues."
And if you read the article by Dr. Sears that I linked to in my above post, you'll see all his sources listed at the end, and you can check them yourself. You're obviously impassioned about this; I'm just open-minded, and having a science background I like to remain that way. I think Vaccinations are great, I just wish that the solutions that they're in were more benign.
Janine

[suzy_q2010]

To janineg:

I am afraid you are comparing apples and oranges here.

Your source refers to total parenteral nutrition --- in which all nutrients are dumped directly into the bloodstream. The infants who need this are primarily very immature preterm babies who are not able to feed by nursing, bottle, or a tube inserted into the stomach. This means all the fat, protein, carbs and every vitamin and mineral must be provided. The aluminum is present in the chemicals used primarily as vitamin and mineral supplements. The problem is getting rid of the aluminum and keeping the essential stuff.

Here is a follow-up to your source:

Aluminum Content of Parenteral Nutrition in Neonates: Measur... : Journal of Pediatric Gastroenterology and Nutrition

The physicians who treat them and the manufacturers of the products used are trying to reduce the aluminum load these babies receive.

This has nothing to do with the tiny doses of aluminum used as adjuvants in vaccines. Vaccines are not given IV, and they are not given to premies who are on TPN. The dose is small and self limited, and as the child grows, the dose becomes even less significant.

The benefit of the vaccine still outweighs the risk.

[djxpress]

This should end all doubt:
The financial implications of the US measles outbreaks | The Panic Virus

A few of the bullet points:

* There have been 118 reported measles cases in the first nineteen weeks of the year — which is the highest number of infections for that period since 1996. That’s particularly noteworthy because, as the CDC points out, “as a result of high vaccination coverage, measles elimination (i.e., the absence of endemic transmission) was achieved in the United States in the late 1990s and likely in the rest of the Americas since the early 2000s.”
* Eighty-nine percent of all reported cases have been in people who’ve been unvaccinated. Almost 20 percent of that figure is made up of children who were less than a year old. That means they were too young to have received the first dose of the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine, which is given once between the ages of twelve and fifteen months and again when a child is between four and six years old. Another twenty percent of the total number of reported infections were in children between the ages of one and four.
* Forty percent of the infections recorded so far this year have resulted in hospitalization — and 98 percent of the people who were hospitalized were unvaccinated. In its typically understated manner, the CDC noted that “nine [of the hospitalized patients] had pneumonia, but none had encephalitis and none died”– which is another way of saying that encephalitis and death are potential complications of serious cases of pneumonia.