Crime in San Diego (Chula Vista, Vista: established neighborhood, to live in, stats)

[RSoto]

[quote=SouthernCali619;2071107]

The biggest Mexican Mafia police bust took place in San Diego, "La eMe" (Southern California Mexican Mafia) members in the Mexican Mafia (most dangerous prison gang throughout California) have a majority of members from Logan Heights, San Diego. The majority of "La eMe" members are either from Logan Heights, San Diego, or East LA, Los Angeles.

^^^^^^^^Not true!!!

EME has members from street gangs thoroughout socal and SD. That includes Logan Heights gangs (Red Steps, 30th Street, etc..), Varrio Posole, Shell Town Gamma Boys, Del Sol, Esco Santos, Esco Diablos, Sherman (20th and 27th Streets), Varrio San Marcos, Varrio Fallbrook, OTNC, Vista Homeboys, and Encinitas Flats. The biggest SD shotcallers were originally from Del Sol ("Bat"), Gamma Boys ("Huero Sherm"), Old Town National City ("Chino"), and Logan ("Popeye").

The whole Logan+La EME connection stems from the fact that "foot soldiers" from Logan were recruited for hitmen for the A-FCartel by two EME SD shotcallers from Logan and Del Sol. However, there were also some members of South Bay gangs and North County gangs that were recruited for hit men too. That fact has been lost in the media frenzy about the incident, because the original gang members that got caught for some shootings/assassinations in Mexico were from Logan (30th Street gang). The East Los connection stems from the fact that EME's original make up was largly from East Los gangs.

EME's make up now is a lot more heterogeneous, and it includes a lot of members that were originally from Inland Empire gangs (Chino Sinners, Ontario Black Angels, West Side Verdugo, Casa Blanca, Blyth Town), north LA gangs (El Monte Flores, Pacas gangs, Pamona 12th ST, San Fer 13), SELA gangs (Norwalk 13, Artesia 13, Hawaiian Gardens 13, Canta Ranas), south LA gangs (Compton Varrio TF, Compton Varrio 70s, Compton Varrio Largo, Cyclones 13, Clanton 14, Florencia 13, Harpys, Wilmas, 204th ST, 38th Street), central LA gangs (Rockwood, Temple Street), west LA (Venice 13, Sotel). This is in addition to ELA/Boyle Heights gangs the have members that are now in EME (Varrio Nuevo Estrada, White Fence, ELA13, Big Hazard, Cuatro Flats, Primera Flats, Geraghty Loma).

Most of the East Los unincorporated area is under control of different Maravilla gangs, which haven't allied themselves with EME since the early late 80's/90's (although there is a tentative truce between them).

BTW-Huero Sherm was featured on MNBC's "Lock-Up" series, and Huero Sherm, Popeye, and Bat are written about in "La Mano Negra." A book by a high ranking EME dropout, who was originally from the Artesia 13 gang.

[SD Observer]

Originally Posted by Imperial1904

There is a very large gang in San Diego, atleast when I was living there. The Westcoast Crips, which also has a connection to L.A. (branched out in the early 70's.)

As has been written by other forum members, there is a slow but steady exodus of blacks from San Diego to other cities in the USA.

Has this exodus contributed to a diminished Crip and Blood presence in City Heights and SE/SD ?

This exodus, plus the gang injunctions and attrition from gang-on-gang killings as well as prison incarcerations must be taking their toll on the gang punks.

Not only the above reasons, but the more numerous Latino gangs must have made life in SD hard for the black gangs.

[eastsandiegobornandraised]

Originally Posted by SD Observer

As has been written by other forum members, there is a slow but steady exodus of blacks from San Diego to other cities in the USA.

Has this exodus contributed to a diminished Crip and Blood presence in City Heights and SE/SD ?

This exodus, plus the gang injunctions and attrition from gang-on-gang killings as well as prison incarcerations must be taking their toll on the gang punks.

Not only the above reasons, but the more numerous Latino gangs must have made life in SD hard for the black gangs.

of course it has, it aint the same anymore, southeast used to be majority black, but that aint the case nowadays...less people, less recruitment, simple as that. Latino gangs dont have much to do with it as people would like to think. Most black and mexicans dont beef here like they do in LA

[SD Observer]

Originally Posted by eastsandiegobornandraised

of course it has, it aint the same anymore, southeast used to be majority black, but that aint the case nowadays...less people, less recruitment, simple as that. Latino gangs dont have much to do with it as people would like to think. Most black and mexicans dont beef here like they do in LA

My relative who is in law enforcement/corrections tells me different.

He comes into direct contact with black, white and latino and asian offenders on a regular basis. There is more resentment and tension between blacks and mexicans than you think.

No its not as bad as LA or Chicago, but its definitely there below the surface.

@ Eastsandiegoborn - what percentage of SE is black these days ?

[eastsandiegobornandraised]

Originally Posted by SD Observer

My relative who is in law enforcement/corrections tells me different.

He comes into direct contact with black, white and latino and asian offenders on a regular basis. There is more resentment and tension between blacks and mexicans than you think.

No its not as bad as LA or Chicago, but its definitely there below the surface.

@ Eastsandiegoborn - what percentage of SE is black these days ?

I know alot personally lol, their main concern is other black gangs, not mexican, trust me.

and corrections is a whole different monster tho, its all about race in there...way more than on the outside...but Im not denying there's tension out here, cause I know there is, **** I've been in the middle of a race riot so I agree it is below the surface. Still both sides mainly deal with there own for the most part. All Im saying is, I wouldn't call it a real problem on a race level in SD...at least not yet.

Southeast is probably 30%(census wise), but thats just a guess...it all depends on area too

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by SD Observer

My relative who is in law enforcement/corrections tells me different.

He comes into direct contact with black, white and latino and asian offenders on a regular basis. There is more resentment and tension between blacks and mexicans than you think.

No its not as bad as LA or Chicago, but its definitely there below the surface.

@ Eastsandiegoborn - what percentage of SE is black these days ?

My wife who is a crime analyst would agree with your relative.

[SD Observer]

Originally Posted by eastsandiegobornandraised

I know alot personally lol, their main concern is other black gangs, not mexican, trust me.

and corrections is a whole different monster tho, its all about race in there...way more than on the outside...but Im not denying there's tension out here, cause I know there is, **** I've been in the middle of a race riot so I agree it is below the surface. Still both sides mainly deal with there own for the most part. All Im saying is, I wouldn't call it a real problem on a race level in SD...at least not yet.

Southeast is probably 30%(census wise), but thats just a guess...it all depends on area too

You are correct about there being more racial tension inside the prison system than on the streets.

You are saying that Southeast SD is about 30% black.

What about City Heights / East San Diego ? What is the black population there these days ?

A black co-worker of mine thinks that SE/SD has more blacks that City Heights.

[SD Observer]

Originally Posted by SouthernCali619

Southern California gangs often have connections throughout L.A. S.D. and San Bernardino. Plus, some gangs in San Diego have been around just as long ad gangs in L.A. I read somewhere, Oceanside Pasole has been around since the Logan Heights' sets (Logan 13, 30's, Red Steps), and National City's "OTNC" sets have been patrolling the streets of National City since World War II

Police do the patrolling, not the gangs.

But I find it interesting that the gangs have been around National City and Logan Heights for that long.

Are their exclusively Latino gangs in NC and LH ?
Or are their Black and Asian gangs as well ?

[Sassberto]

Originally Posted by SD Observer

A black co-worker of mine thinks that SE/SD has more blacks that City Heights.

He's right.

The black population of all CA cities is in decline, in places like LA and SF they are losing black population at double-digit rates every year.

East San Diego is maybe 10-15% black. Most of City Heights is majority Mexican-American, with an enclave of Southeast Asians just west of 54th street. There are Somalis but not many African-Americans.

As of the 2000 census my neighborhood in 92115 was about 8% black, and you see black people every day around here. I know of 3 or 4 black families in the neighborhood and they are longtime homeowners. The majority of the black population north of 94 is in the apartments on College around College Grove and barely scraping by, but once you go into the neighborhoods it is mostly white east of College and mostly latino west of College.

You guys have an interesting perspective on crime and race in San Diego. San Diego, to me, is one of the most benign cities for crime in the country. Aside from the standard gangbanger / drug dealer nonsense (which is everywhere) the majority of crime I see (and I live in a pretty hoppin' area) is stuff like prostitution or petty dope dealing, mostly young black males clinging to the early 90's while the times move on around them. Right now there is a spike going on, but the overall trend is definitely down.

I think the proximity of SD to LA gives a lot of residents the impression that crime here is somehow related or on par. Reality is that many of LA's exurbs... places like Fontana and North OC have bigger crime problems than all of San diego combined.

[SD Observer]

Originally Posted by Sassberto

East San Diego is maybe 10-15% black. Most of City Heights is majority Mexican-American, with an enclave of Southeast Asians just west of 54th street.

@ Sassberto :

In City Heights is there a significant Asian population ?
I've heard there are a fair amount of Vietnamese and Korean families.

But yes mostly Mexican in City Heights.