03-04-2015, 12:58 PM
Location: San Diego
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The Chargers have the 4th most wins in the NFL the last 11 seasons, but that's neither here nor there.
They've also been the biggest bust over that time period too. Picked for SB every year and came up short.
03-04-2015, 01:30 PM
Location: Nashville, TN
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What do they have to show for it? One MVP and one trip to the AFC title game. Not impressed. In all honesty, we should have won the super bowl already (or at least been in it). As you hinted, the 11 season record do not matter. The games are poorly attended, so why should taxpayers have to pay for a failing entertainment business?
Other than not winning the Super Bowl, which is obviously a disappointment, what reasons are the Chargers a "failing entertainment business"? The team averaged more than 65,000 in attendance per game last season. If the "having a crappy stadium" issue is a reason why, that's something that is generally helped by the city a team plays in. There are FAR worse teams than the Chargers who have gotten plenty of public money to build new stadiums.
03-04-2015, 02:13 PM
Location: O.C.
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Other than not winning the Super Bowl, which is obviously a disappointment, what reasons are the Chargers a "failing entertainment business"? The team averaged more than 65,000 in attendance per game last season. If the "having a crappy stadium" issue is a reason why, that's something that is generally helped by the city a team plays in. There are FAR worse teams than the Chargers who have gotten plenty of public money to build new stadiums.
Including another team in the same city SD put up $300 million on a new stadium for...the Padres. But they don't want to spend money on a stadium that will bring Super Bowls and serious Olympic bids?
03-04-2015, 02:21 PM
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Other than not winning the Super Bowl, which is obviously a disappointment, what reasons are the Chargers a "failing entertainment business"? The team averaged more than 65,000 in attendance per game last season. If the "having a crappy stadium" issue is a reason why, that's something that is generally helped by the city a team plays in. There are FAR worse teams than the Chargers who have gotten plenty of public money to build new stadiums.
Sorry I meant to say "failing entertainment
investment " I personally don't care about comparing the Chargers to other NFL teams, the problem is the NFL.
I hold a firm opinion that the use of (excessive) public funds to build a stadium is unethical for government.
The investment has minimal return and a significant proportion of money is pocketed by the NFl & Spanos family.
It's actually quite disgusting that taxpayers and city leaders allow this. This money could be going towards improving the quality of living in San Diego or spurring economic development through infrastructure improvements.
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03-04-2015, 02:41 PM
Location: San Diego
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Including another team in the same city SD put up $300 million on a new stadium for...the Padres. But they don't want to spend money on a stadium that will bring Super Bowls and serious Olympic bids?
We are already "borrowing" money for infrastructure repair. Unless the tax payers are willing to shell out serious other bond money we need what available general fund cash we have just to fix the roads. I just don't see a bond passing 2/3 vote to hand over a billion dollars to a Billionaire family. Especially money originally earmarked to fix roads.
So, it's not like no one is unwilling to hand over cash, just that it's nearly going to be impossible. We can partially thank the Padres for that sleight of hand.
03-04-2015, 02:55 PM
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Including another team in the same city SD put up $300 million on a new stadium for...the Padres. But they don't want to spend money on a stadium that will bring Super Bowls and serious Olympic bids?
At least Petco Park initiated the redevelopment of East Village. 81 home games and 2.2 million attendees is a lot more economic activity than 8 days of football.
Rebuilding Qualcomm isn't going to do anything for San Diego. The Mission Valley location also minimizes business activity because you can't walk to bars, restaurants, shopping, etc.
Super Bowls and the Olympics rarely do anything for cities as well. It's all a money pit. We need investments that improve livability on a daily basis and strengthen long term economic vitality.
03-04-2015, 03:19 PM
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At least Petco Park initiated the redevelopment of East Village. 81 home games and 2.2 million attendees is a lot more economic activity than 8 days of football.
Spanos has already stated they want nothing to do with the existing stadium site. That's where the greed factor really comes into play. He wants waterfront or nothing.
03-04-2015, 03:53 PM
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Spanos has already stated they want nothing to do with the existing stadium site. That's where the greed factor really comes into play. He wants waterfront or nothing.
Yep, which makes this all the more ridiculous.
03-04-2015, 04:06 PM
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Spanos has already stated they want nothing to do with the existing stadium site. That's where the greed factor really comes into play. He wants waterfront or nothing.
Of course he doesn't. Big show and big $$ beat fun tailgating for fans anytime.
03-04-2015, 06:51 PM
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LOL, hey we would all like waterfront property for ourselves but most of us don't have that kind of money so we adjust our dreams. If he wants waterfront, then Mr. Spanos should pay for that luxury, which is what it is. Most of us think that the current location would work just fine. He's not going to get waterfront in Inglewood or Carson so its ridiculous. Off hand, can't think of any NFL stadiums are built on waterfront property. Looks to me like he wants out and has raised the bar so high that SD would never be able to accommodate, he won't give in on anything.
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Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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