Why is San Diego so safe? - Take 2 (Santa Ana, Orange: crime, buyer)

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by pacific2

So, why was San Diego's crime rate above the national average from 2001-2008? Did all of the African Americans suddenly leave town in early 2009?
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime...alifornia.html

You are missing the point, as usual, perhaps in your haste to post all crimes from my town (not even in San Diego) since 1776, as though that is relevant. (It is not, and it is just another manner of engaging in ad hominem attacks, a form of "tu quoque" or an attempt to shut down the speaker.)

The "crime rate" is different from the violent crime rate, which is what many people were discussing as violent crime is undoubtedly what many people mean by a high crime rate. Does this change your perception?

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by pacific2

Hmmm, there is very little violent crime in South OC (Laguna Niguel, etc.) committed by blacks, or anyone else.

There has been a recent increase in violence in Central OC (Costa Mesa and Santa Ana) in Hispanic areas, not by blacks, if that really matters.

On Average, 1 Shooting Reported Each Day In Santa Ana In 2016 « CBS Los Angeles

How do you know that the surge in crime in Santa Ana is caused by Hispanics? Do you believe this because the crime is occurring in "Hispanic areas"? I see arrests of blacks in Santa Ana for the year 2011-2012 was 6 to 1, black vs. non black.


SANTA ANA POLICE DEPARTMENT
2011-12 ARREST RATE PER 1000 RESIDENTS
297.4
BLACK RATE
56.3
NON-BLACK RATE

Your town of Aliso Viejo (like almost every city in California and elsewhere) arrests more black people than non-black people.

ALISO VIEJO, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
2011-12 ARREST RATE PER 1000 RESIDENTS
43.4
BLACK RATE
18.2
NON-BLACK RATE

That's more than 2-1. Please explain this "obvious" police racism.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Calm down. The issue is that blacks are arrested more often than whites even in cases where the underlying crime rate among both races is the same. An example:

"The effects of racial bias are particularly well demonstrated in the areas of traffic stops and drug law enforcement. Between 1980 and 2000, the U.S. black drug arrest rate rose from 6.5 to 29.1 per 1,000 persons; during the same period, the white drug arrest rate increased from 3.5 to 4.6 per 1,000 persons. Yet the disparity between the increase in black and white drug arrests does not correspond to any significant disparity in black drug activity. In 2012, for instance, the National Institute on Drug Abuse published a study surveying drug usage among secondary school students in the United States from
1975-2011. The study found that white students were slightly more likely to have abused an illegal substance within the past month than black students. Yet from 1980-2010, black youth were arrested for drug crimes at rates more than double those of white youth.17 Disparity between black drug activity and black arrest rates is also present in adult populations: in Seattle in 2002, for instance, African Americans constituted 16% of observed drug dealers for the five most dangerous drugs but 64% of drug dealing arrests for those drugs. While these arrests were for trafficking rather than possession, the modest evidence available suggests that most drug users purchase drugs from a dealer of their own race" http://sentencingproject.org/doc/pub...w%20Report.pdf.

To summarize, blacks and whites use drugs at about the same rate, most drug users buy drugs from a dealer of their own race but blacks are arrested far more often than whites for drug related crimes. Chew on that for a bit and I will be back tomorrow, it's my bedtime now ta ta.

I am skeptical of the claim that everyone uses drugs at the same rate, but even if true, that is but one category of crimes. And in any case, I see liberties were taken with "modest" evidence of the race of the dealer selling drugs to buyers.

I seem to remember this study which was not liked by the crowd that sought to show that traffic stops target blacks. CNN.com - N.J. releases controversial racial speeding study - April 2, 2002

Funny that I do not hear about this study after New Jersey was demonized so very much.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

The "crime rate" is different from the violent crime rate, which is what many people were discussing as violent crime is undoubtedly what many people mean by a high crime rate. Does this change your perception?

That's not correct. The crime rate is the term used for the total number of crimes committed, both violent and non-violent. The data is then categorized by type of crime, demographics and offender age sex and race.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

That's not correct. The crime rate is the term used for the total number of crimes committed, both violent and non-violent. The data is then categorized by type of crime, demographics and offender age sex and race.

Many on here were discussing violent crime and many no doubt consider mainly violent crime when discussing crime as a whole. Whether a wall in Linda Vista was tagged (a crime) or a 10 dollar blouse was stolen from Ross is not of great consequence -- these crimes impact people less than a rape, aggravated assault, armed robbery, etc. That's what a lot of people mean.

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

How do you know that the surge in crime in Santa Ana is caused by Hispanics? Do you believe this because the crime is occurring in "Hispanic areas"? I see arrests of blacks in Santa Ana for the year 2011-2012 was 6 to 1, black vs. non black.


SANTA ANA POLICE DEPARTMENT
2011-12 ARREST RATE PER 1000 RESIDENTS
297.4
BLACK RATE
56.3
NON-BLACK RATE

Your town of Aliso Viejo (like almost every city in California and elsewhere) arrests more black people than non-black people.

ALISO VIEJO, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
2011-12 ARREST RATE PER 1000 RESIDENTS
43.4
BLACK RATE
18.2
NON-BLACK RATE

That's more than 2-1. Please explain this "obvious" police racism.

As others have tried to explain to you, there is often racial bias in arrests.

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

You are missing the point, as usual, perhaps in your haste to post all crimes from my town (not even in San Diego) since 1776, as though that is relevant. (It is not, and it is just another manner of engaging in ad hominem attacks, a form of "tu quoque" or an attempt to shut down the speaker.)

The "crime rate" is different from the violent crime rate, which is what many people were discussing as violent crime is undoubtedly what many people mean by a high crime rate. Does this change your perception?

Why the personal attack? Just look at the data.

You are missing the point, as usual,

[ftbowie]

Originally Posted by pacific2

As others have tried to explain to you, there is often racial bias in arrests.

Blacks have 7-8 times the murder rate of non-Hispanic Whites...Must all be racial bias, huh....Those dirty cops just keep arresting them because their prejudiced....Geez, you people just twist yourselves in knots in order to deny reality...

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Many on here were discussing violent crime and many no doubt consider mainly violent crime when discussing crime as a whole. Whether a wall in Linda Vista was tagged (a crime) or a 10 dollar blouse was stolen from Ross is not of great consequence -- these crimes impact people less than a rape, aggravated assault, armed robbery, etc. That's what a lot of people mean.

Nice try but no brass ring, the crime rate refers to the overall number of reported crimes of all types.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by pacific2

As others have tried to explain to you, there is often racial bias in arrests.

A police officer can arrest a person only if the officer:

Personally observed a crime;
Has probable cause to believe that the person arrested committed a crime; and/or
Has an arrest warrant issued by a judge.

Let's stick to San Diego, as that is what we are taking about. If the wildly disproportionate number of black arrests all over San Diego (as compared to non blacks) are not based on the arrest requirements spelled out supra, surely we can expect lots of lawsuits. After all, we are taking about a deprivation of rights when these unlawful arrests are made. So where are the many successful suits?