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Horribly planned. They should have been liable for another lane for 5 miles each direction. The only other road is down south bay. I know people that commute from out there and they are obviously not happy with this. Job changer.
For those of us who live in Jamul, we predicted this would happen. That is why so many of us in the community fought against the casino for many years.
The truth is, the casino should not have been built in the first place. The Jamul Indian Village had just six acres of land. The land was given to the group of indians (they are not a "tribe") in 1955 by a local ranch owner as a thank you for working for him. The Jamul Indian Village gave the rights to the land to Penn Gaming, which is a big casino company. When long time residents (Native americans) who lived on the property objected, they were evicted from the property without due process. Because this is not a suitable location for a casino, Viejas Casino actually offered the casino boosters property on their reservation to build a casino. But JIV and Penn Gaming did even consider that idea.
For those who aren't aware, 94 narrows to a two lane rural road six miles before the casino. 94 is the main route into Jamul. This stretch of 94 is one of the most dangerous stretches of road in the state. That's not me saying that; Cal Trans rates it that way. It is rated as more dangerous than Wild Cat Canyon Road to Barona. In the last five years alone, there have been 21 motor vehicle deaths on that stretch of road plus many additional injury accidents. The road has a lot of truck traffic and car traffic from Tecate as well. There are regular border patrol chases on that stretch of road. There are no street lights. Steele Canyon High School is also on that stretch of 94 ad adds additional traffic during the day. The only other paved route to the Casino is Telegraph Canyon Road through Chula Vista, which is also a two lane country road.
Now, add 9,000 vehicles a day to that stretch of 94, the expected "regular" traffic for the casino. It's a disaster waiting to happen, as Monday shows.
The main problem with Monday, however, was not just the traffic, but the fact that the casino did not coordinate at all with local law enforcement. So, when traffic started to build, nothing was done. When people started parking on both sides of 94 and local residential streets, nothing was done.
The result was total havoc. Traffic was at a standstill on 94 for TWELVE miles at one point. Cal Trans put a sign on the side of 94 in Caso De Oro that said simply: 94 STOPPED. Not delayed, or slow, but STOPPED.
Side streets in La Mesa, Spring Valley and Rancho San Diego were also at near standstills as people trying to get home in all of those areas tried alternate routes. I went up a back way to my house that normally takes me 10 minutes, and it took me over an hour.
But, I am in the hills above the casino. The people I really feel sorry for as those who have beautiful homes right next to the Casino. Some of the stories I heard from people in that area over the last few days about what they have experienced from Casino goers are just horrible. Again, some of this could have been avoided if the Casino had communicate and coordinate with local law enforcement, but it really isn't surprising to us: JIV and Penn Gaming has ignored all of the concerns expressed for many years.
I don't want to say much more, but after many years of expressing our concerns about the casino, everyone who lives here in Jamul is very disheartened after Monday's events. Although traffic was better (still noticeable increased) yesterday, we know that the casino is planning "special events" in the future that may well result in the same type of chaos. And, I just can't imagine what it will be like having more drunks on the road on weekends. We are dreading this weekend as there is a homecoming dance and football game at Steele Canyon. We are just hoping for the best.
Horribly planned. They should have been liable for another lane for 5 miles each direction. The only other road is down south bay. I know people that commute from out there and they are obviously not happy with this. Job changer.
No, the only road improvements that the JIV (Jamul Indian Village) and Penn Gaming will be paying for are adding two stop lights on 94. They also put a SINGLE turn lane into the Casino in the middle of two lane 94.
That's their "20 million" in road improvement contribution.
So, guess what -- any road widening will be paid for by tax payers. As will the costs of extra CHP, Sherriff, EMT, and fire support.
Meanwhile, Penn Gaming and 20 "tribe" members (that's how many people are in the JIV "tribe") will rake in millions.
(Another HUGE concern: We live in a very dangerous fire zone. When the next fire happens out here, evacuating a casino will add to the danger. )
No, the only road improvements that the JIV (Jamul Indian Village) and Penn Gaming will be paying for are adding two stop lights on 94. They also put a SINGLE turn lane into the Casino in the middle of two lane 94.
That's their "20 million" in road improvement contribution.
So, guess what -- any road widening will be paid for by tax payers. As will the costs of extra CHP, Sherriff, EMT, and fire support.
Meanwhile, Penn Gaming and 20 "tribe" members (that's how big the "tribe" is) will rake in millions.
(Another HUGE concern: We live in a very dangerous fire zone. When the next fire happens out here, evacuating a casino will add to the danger. )
I know what will keep the traffic away. DUI checkpoint
I know what will keep the traffic away. DUI checkpoint
While I wouldn't be opposed to a DUI checkpoint, the casino is going to be open 24 hours a day. Who would pay for a constant DUI checkpoint? And, why should local residents have to be inconvienced?
I know what will keep the traffic away. DUI checkpoint
ROFLROFLROFL
Couldn't help your self, could you?
But seriously, this was poorly plan and sadly i don't think we have seen the last of the blunders from this place.
Most Indian tribes are usually supportive of each other, but i noticed that most of the tribes in town have kinda turn there back on these guys.
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ROFLROFLROFL
Couldn't help your self, could you?
But seriously, this was poorly plan and sadly i don't think we have seen the last of the blunders from this place.
Most Indian tribes are usually supportive of each other, but noticed that most of the tribes in town have kinda turn there back on these guys.
That's because these guys are NOT really an indian tribe in the true sense. Their land was not deeded to them by a government decree. And, tribes like Viejas and Barona saw what the JIV did to members who disagreed with the plan to build a casino. JIV literally tossed elderly native americans who disagreed with the casino plan out on the street and ripped their houses down in front of them (I am not exaggerating). It was disgusting. If you look at reservations like Barona, Sycuayen, and Viejas, you will notice that they make every effort to support ALL of their members. I doubt they would ever treat elderly members like JIV did. This 20 person "tribe" only cares about one thing: money.
For those of us who live in Jamul, we predicted this would happen. That is why so many of us in the community fought against the casino for many years.
The truth is, the casino should not have been built in the first place. The Jamul Indian Village had just six acres of land. The land was given to the group of indians (they are not a "tribe") in 1955 by a local ranch owner as a thank you for working for him. The Jamul Indian Village gave the rights to the land to Penn Gaming, which is a big casino company. When long time residents (Native americans) who lived on the property objected, they were evicted from the property without due process. Because this is not a suitable location for a casino, Viejas Casino actually offered the casino boosters property on their reservation to build a casino. But JIV and Penn Gaming did even consider that idea.
For those who aren't aware, 94 narrows to a two lane rural road six miles before the casino. 94 is the main route into Jamul. This stretch of 94 is one of the most dangerous stretches of road in the state. That's not me saying that; Cal Trans rates it that way. It is rated as more dangerous than Wild Cat Canyon Road to Barona. In the last five years alone, there have been 21 motor vehicle deaths on that stretch of road plus many additional injury accidents. The road has a lot of truck traffic and car traffic from Tecate as well. There are regular border patrol chases on that stretch of road. There are no street lights. Steele Canyon High School is also on that stretch of 94 ad adds additional traffic during the day. The only other paved route to the Casino is Telegraph Canyon Road through Chula Vista, which is also a two lane country road.
Now, add 9,000 vehicles a day to that stretch of 94, the expected "regular" traffic for the casino. It's a disaster waiting to happen, as Monday shows.
The main problem with Monday, however, was not just the traffic, but the fact that the casino did not coordinate at all with local law enforcement. So, when traffic started to build, nothing was done. When people started parking on both sides of 94 and local residential streets, nothing was done.
The result was total havoc. Traffic was at a standstill on 94 for TWELVE miles at one point. Cal Trans put a sign on the side of 94 in Caso De Oro that said simply: 94 STOPPED. Not delayed, or slow, but STOPPED.
Side streets in La Mesa, Spring Valley and Rancho San Diego were also at near standstills as people trying to get home in all of those areas tried alternate routes. I went up a back way to my house that normally takes me 10 minutes, and it took me over an hour.
But, I am in the hills above the casino. The people I really feel sorry for as those who have beautiful homes right next to the Casino. Some of the stories I heard from people in that area over the last few days about what they have experienced from Casino goers are just horrible. Again, some of this could have been avoided if the Casino had communicate and coordinate with local law enforcement, but it really isn't surprising to us: JIV and Penn Gaming has ignored all of the concerns expressed for many years.
I don't want to say much more, but after many years of expressing our concerns about the casino, everyone who lives here in Jamul is very disheartened after Monday's events. Although traffic was better (still noticeable increased) yesterday, we know that the casino is planning "special events" in the future that may well result in the same type of chaos. And, I just can't imagine what it will be like having more drunks on the road on weekends. We are dreading this weekend as there is a homecoming dance and football game at Steele Canyon. We are just hoping for the best.
I know they have been talking about building this casino since the late 90's and the people in the community have been fighting them.
From what i understand, it's not legally Indian land. The land was given to them by some Rancher before he died or something.
I know they have been talking about building this casino since the late 90's and the people in the community have been fighting them.
From what i understand, it's not legally Indian land. The land was given to them by some Rancher before he died or something.
Yes, this is true. In 1912, the San Diegan Catholic Diocese granted 2 acres to the Jamul Indian Village to use as a cemetery. In the 1950s, a local rancher (Daley) deeded an additional 4.0 acres so that native americans who worked for him could have a place to live. The JIV did not attain federal recognition as a "tribe" until 1981. Today, because they disenrolled all members not in favor of the casino, the JIV has only 20 adult members.
So, the casino was built on a TINY piece of property in a suburban residential neighborhood. Picture a neighborhood in Poway. Then, put in a 200,000+ square foot 8 story Casino serving alcohol 24 hours a day on 6 acres directly across the street.
As I said, I'm far enough from the Casino that the only effect for me will be the increase of dangerous traffic on already dangerous roads. But, my heart really goes out to the people who live right next door to the casino, as they are going to get the brunt of things on a daily basis.
As far as I know, no other Casino in San Diego County (or maybe the country) has been built on such a small piece of property in the middle of a suburban residential neighborhood.
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