Is Clairemont the next UTC? (San Diego, Sacramento: apartments, city hall, renters)

[1AngryTaxPayer]

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/...races-density/


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"It’s important to note that not one city planning commissioner lives in Clairemont. Nor do any city council members, county board of supervisors members, or the city’s mayor."

Yes, and I wonder, are all the sparkling communities housing our thoughtful overlords chanting "YIMBY! YIMBY!" with Mr. Faulconer?

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[newgensandiego]

San Diego needs housing. There are plenty of run-down and underutilized properties in Clairemont and other neighborhoods, both commercial and residential.

We've indulged NIMBYs enough. Young people and renters, the majority of San Diegans, are excluded from the housing market and the most susceptible to the housing crisis.

Prop 13 will be gone and all the ridiculous advantages given to a select group of people will be gone too. Change is coming to San Diego and California.

San Diego stopped being a little beach town over three decades ago. Time to get over it.

[kettlepot]

I have no objection to converting a fallow shopping center into dense housing.

However, a lot of the ideas coming out of City Hall and Sacramento are about plowing under single family neighborhoods and filling them with apartment buildings, or worse yet, sprinkling 4 - 5 story apartment buildings in among streets lined with existing single family homes rather than in an area which formerly housed a shopping center.

Worst of all, these ideas are being floated without plans for, or even the intention to upgrade the infrastructure of these areas to accommodate the expanded population. How do I know this? They didn't improve the infrastructure during the previous housing panics and with continuing talk about reducing impact fees, there will be no money to make infrastructure upgrades this time either.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by kettlepot

I have no objection to converting a fallow shopping center into dense housing.

However, a lot of the ideas coming out of City Hall and Sacramento are about plowing under single family neighborhoods and filling them with apartment buildings, or worse yet, sprinkling 4 - 5 story apartment buildings in among streets lined with existing single family homes rather than in an area which formerly housed a shopping center.

Worst of all, these ideas are being floated without plans for, or even the intention to upgrade the infrastructure of these areas to accommodate the expanded population. How do I know this? They didn't improve the infrastructure during the previous housing panics and with continuing talk about reducing impact fees, there will be no money to make infrastructure upgrades this time either.

In the case of that mall they are also taking away the only available grocery, hardware, fast food store for over a mile. If anyone is trying to live without a car they are going to have to make some serious changes like ubering to the Vons on Balboa Ave.

The thing is, this won't be affordable housing. It's never affordable housing. It will simply be more luxury condos and apartments just like the did in PB off Mission Bay Dr.

We've all already gotten a taste of new condos and no new roads in Mission Valley. True gridlock most of the day and night.

[GreenAbyss]

Originally Posted by newgensandiego

San Diego needs housing. There are plenty of run-down and underutilized properties in Clairemont and other neighborhoods, both commercial and residential.

San Diego stopped being a little beach town over three decades ago. Time to get over it.

Perhaps, But it will take another generation or so to fully realize that though. Because there is still a strong beach vibe here. Or there is that facade anyways.

[kettlepot]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

In the case of that mall they are also taking away the only available grocery, hardware, fast food store for over a mile. If anyone is trying to live without a car they are going to have to make some serious changes like ubering to the Vons on Balboa Ave.

They could do what they did in Hillcrest or Mission Hills. In the old Sears site in Hillcrest, they built a grocery store on the site. In Mission Hills, they built a grocery store into the base of the building.

However, this idea that people outside of a few select communities are going to go completely carless is nuts. In Downtown, Hillcrest, and a few Beach neighborhoods, they could probably manage it. Elsewhere, not so much.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by newgensandiego

San Diego needs housing. There are plenty of run-down and underutilized properties in Clairemont and other neighborhoods, both commercial and residential.

We've indulged NIMBYs enough. Young people and renters, the majority of San Diegans, are excluded from the housing market and the most susceptible to the housing crisis.

Prop 13 will be gone and all the ridiculous advantages given to a select group of people will be gone too. Change is coming to San Diego and California.

San Diego stopped being a little beach town over three decades ago. Time to get over it.

Young and renters will be even more priced out of owning. Prices will go up due to increased taxes and ... it will be worse than now. The advantages go to anyone who can afford a house. Taking Prop 13 away will just make it worse for the young and the renters.



These days, like in the past, "Young" especially, means no real knowledge of how things work due to no real experience of life.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Young and renters will be even more priced out of owning. Prices will go up due to increased taxes and ... it will be worse than now. The advantages go to anyone who can afford a house. Taking Prop 13 away will just make it worse for the young and the renters.



These days, like in the past, "Young" especially, means no real knowledge of how things work due to no real experience of life.

Imagine what it would cost to rent here without property tax controls. It would be Orange County at the very least.

The only "affordable housing" right now being floated around is for homeless, not younger folks just getting into the market.

I've always said no one is entitled to live here. That will be even more so if the attack prop 13. All the new condos in MV and PB are near 600-900 thousand.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Imagine what it would cost to rent here without property tax controls. It would be Orange County at the very least.

The only "affordable housing" right now being floated around is for homeless, not younger folks just getting into the market.

I've always said no one is entitled to live here. That will be even more so if the attack prop 13. All the new condos in MV and PB are near 600-900 thousand.

Why anyone thinks getting rid of Prop 13 would help is just unbelievable.



It lowered costs and continues to do so for everyone who buys. The taxes do not go up as much each year compared to new buyers. If it went away taxes would go up for everyone, but prices would not drop.


Supply and demand control it all. Which is why all the hi-rise builds, which the younger generation think will help, isn't. The prices are high not low.



Make enough or rent a room.

[newgensandiego]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Young and renters will be even more priced out of owning. Prices will go up due to increased taxes and ... it will be worse than now. The advantages go to anyone who can afford a house. Taking Prop 13 away will just make it worse for the young and the renters.

The benefits of Prop 13 are randomized at best and only benefit select groups. It needs to be removed.

In reality, property taxes should not be based on home values. It should be assessed on the cost to service and maintain that home. We need to tax sprawl because maintaining municipal services and infrastructure in suburban areas is not financially sustainable.

These days, like in the past, "Young" especially, means no real knowledge of how things work due to no real experience of life

Well given the state of California, it's safe to say that "old" people have no real knowledge of how things work either, nor how to run things.