Mayor: San Diego will step up enforcement on homeless (San Francisco: crimes, houses)

[mcp86]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Thanks for the link … but, while I scanned through it, that’s a(nother) really looong article about the sad state of that city overall: crime, drugs, homelessness, yadda yadda yadda. Lots about drug addiction and street deaths, blah blah blah. Shoplifting and other theft, etc etc etc. America’s favorite city to denigrate. Whatever. (Btw: violent crime was cited as being pretty low there.)

What I asked the poster was: “what ‘freebies’ do you think SF offers homeless that SD doesn’t?” That article doesn’t seem to identify any ‘freebie’ services for the homeless that SD doesn’t also have. I’m asking about city programs …

The post I responded to seemed to infer that SF encourages homelessness by offering ‘freebie’ benefits … thus resulting in greater homeless population. The reality is that SF has less homelessness in total number than SD … although a higher per capita rate. The historical growth in fact is that SF homeless numbers have stayed fairly stable for many years (down a bit lately, btw), while SD numbers have been on an upward growth trajectory. This is largely because of the nature of housing costs and availability differences between the two cities over the years. SF was dramatically higher cost and lower availability for a very long time before SD’s present crunch.

That article is really about SF’s perceived progressive policies across the board of all its challenges: homelessness, crime, drug use, sanitation ….

Thanks Tulemutt. I have a question from that link. Author says she saw a homeless sick and when ambulance came in homeless activist grp sent the ambulance away since homeless have right to deny service and later that person died on the platform. Is that true that activists do that way? I felt it's not true but just confirming.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by stablegenius

Did not know SD had more, but the difference is, they are not as visible. True that the same number of birds are out and about, but as long as they are not flying over my house, $hitting everywhere then that's fine; I don't have to see it. As for freebies, a while back San Francisco was offering more in General Assistance cash than (I think) any other city, certainly more than SD. I think that has changed, but generally SF is a lot kinder to homeless than any other city.

Again, I’d be sincerely interested to read about the ways SF is “a lot kinder to homeless” than SD (or other cities). I lived in SF for many years, in districts with homeless (though not in the Tenderloin!). I live now in the Pt Loma / Midway / Old Town area in SD. 2nd highest concentration of SD homeless, I think. Interfaced with homeless and assisted homeless veterans for decades. Ugly business. Nasty life. The street homeless contingent certainly ARE highly visible in SD. Don’t know why you think they aren’t. SF Tenderloin / Market areas are definitely among the worst the nation has to be embarrassed about, along with LA Skid Row. But SD gets no pass. It consistently ranks in the top 5 US cities for homeless population. (Though again, its rate of homelessness per 1000 is not very high.)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mcp86

Thanks Tulemutt. I have a question from that link. Author says she saw a homeless sick and when ambulance came in homeless activist grp sent the ambulance away since homeless have right to deny service and later that person died on the platform. Is that true that activists do that way? I felt it's not true but just confirming.

Can’t speak to that instance you are asking about. Obviously, I wasn’t there and there’s no detail for follow up. But, it’s possible. Yes, all people, not just homeless, can refuse help even in seemingly pretty dire circumstances … as long as they aren’t evaluated as being a danger to themselves or others. And there’s the rub, of course: Who is doing what kind of evaluation of what conditions? Cops and medics know that their evaluations can be subject to court challenges and so mostly leave some crazy sick and nutty persons to their fates.

[luv4horses]

Well transients are going to want to hang out where camping weather is tolerable. And beggars want to be where people have lots of money and will hand them some. Meanwhile touristy areas have lots of walkers and slow drivers whose attention is easily gained. Hmmm. San Diego and coastal So Cal sounds perfect especially for the longer time homeless.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by luv4horses

Well transients are going to want to hang out where camping weather is tolerable. And beggars want to be where people have lots of money and will hand them some. Meanwhile touristy areas have lots of walkers and slow drivers whose attention is easily gained. Hmmm. San Diego and coastal So Cal sounds perfect especially for the longer time homeless.

My local homeless like to steal batteries, recycling, anything not locked down plus shoot heroin on the local foot paths. I thought we got away from this when we left Pacific Beach and it just expanded inland. I see no easy solution here.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

My local homeless like to steal batteries, recycling, anything not locked down plus shoot heroin on the local foot paths. I thought we got away from this when we left Pacific Beach and it just expanded inland. I see no easy solution here.

Roger that boss.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by luv4horses

Well transients are going to want to hang out where camping weather is tolerable. And beggars want to be where people have lots of money and will hand them some. Meanwhile touristy areas have lots of walkers and slow drivers whose attention is easily gained. Hmmm. San Diego and coastal So Cal sounds perfect especially for the longer time homeless.

Sort of. But not so much as it would seem.

Beggars certainly do want / need to be where there’s lots of people and attention to be gained.

Transients are only about 10-12% of the homeless. And many of this group are trouble, for sure.

But the vast majority of homeless - everywhere … California and across the nation - are locals to their area. Plenty of surveys and studies confirm this.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by luv4horses

Well transients are going to want to hang out where camping weather is tolerable. And beggars want to be where people have lots of money and will hand them some. Meanwhile touristy areas have lots of walkers and slow drivers whose attention is easily gained. Hmmm. San Diego and coastal So Cal sounds perfect especially for the longer time homeless.

IDK, if I were homeless I think Hawaii would be better for the weather.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Again, I’d be sincerely interested to read about the ways SF is “a lot kinder to homeless” than SD (or other cities). I lived in SF for many years, in districts with homeless (though not in the Tenderloin!). I live now in the Pt Loma / Midway / Old Town area in SD. 2nd highest concentration of SD homeless, I think. Interfaced with homeless and assisted homeless veterans for decades. Ugly business. Nasty life. The street homeless contingent certainly ARE highly visible in SD. Don’t know why you think they aren’t. SF Tenderloin / Market areas are definitely among the worst the nation has to be embarrassed about, along with LA Skid Row. But SD gets no pass. It consistently ranks in the top 5 US cities for homeless population. (Though again, its rate of homelessness per 1000 is not very high.)

Midway definitely has a high concentration, that's for sure.

[Redflag71]

Originally Posted by stablegenius

Midway definitely has a high concentration, that's for sure.

That's because the County Health Services Complex is located close to Old Town transit center at 3851 Rosecrans St, San Diego, CA 92110.

This facility offers public health services including the Public Health Lab.

Services:

Birth Certificates
Black Infant Health
Child Health and Disability Prevention (CHDP) Program
Health Care Program for Children in Foster Care
Comprehensive Perinatal Services Program
Death Certificates
Dental Health Initiative / Share the Care
Disease Reporting Requirements for Health Care Providers
Epidemiology
Fetal and Infant Mortality Review
Financial & Support Services Division - Facilities & Support Services
HIV Counseling and Testing Services
Maternal, Child and Family Health Services
Medical Marijuana Identification Card (MMIC)
Medical Records - A/OAMHS
Nutrition Education and Obesity Prevention Program
Office of Vital Records and Statistics
Office of Violence Prevention
Public Health Administration
Perinatal Care Network
Public Health Laboratory
San Diego Kids Health Assurance Network
STD Clinical Services
Sealant and Fluoride Varnish Clinics
TB & Refugee Health Programs
TB Clinic Services
TB US-Mexico Referral Program
Vital Records - New Law