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Old 01-23-2009, 06:07 PM
Status: "home sweet home" (set 9 days ago)
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I was born and lived in LA for 24 years. While living there, I didn't know much about San Diego and only visited San Diego a few times for short visits. San Diego sounded like a place people go to relax and to get away or go camping and fishing. In college, I met many students who were from San Diego and they always sounded proud to be, but I wasn't sure why. When I visited San Diego back then, I thought the people seemed ghetto. I visited the Gaslamp with a girlfriend and we were cat-called on every block. I also disliked the shopping, since LA is GREAT for shopping and the shopping culture. I felt that San Diego was lame and backwards. I, and anyone else I know, didn't really visit SD much. I felt there was nothing to see and LA and OC was just too much fun.

I finally moved to San Diego, against my will, in January of 2008. I hated it here at first, especially since I was used to living in a big cosmo city (was in NYC for 15 months prior to SD). But slowly San Diego grew on me. I realized San Diego was more than I thought. It is hard to really get a feel for San Diego in a single trip because there are so many different neighborhoods, all with their own vibe. What people say about the laid-back vibe in San Diego is true. I also think the people here are a lot nicer and down-to-earth than Angelenos.

No offense to anyone but now when I visit LA, I think it is fun but stressful and suffocating. I feel a layer of grime on me after I visit and feel like breathing is more difficult due to the smog. And you think those who live in North County are elitists? Visit the South Coast Plaza in Costa Mesa in Orange County. What a bunch of snobs! I have come to appreciate the good qualities of San Diego, the purity, the down-to-earth feel.

Occasionally, I need to visit LA (my relatives are there also) to get my LA fix... need that excitement and energy. But it is so, so nice to come home to San Diego.
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Old 01-23-2009, 06:27 PM
 
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I've lived in both, and each area has a lot to offer for visitors and residents. But from an LA point of view, the clogged drive down I-5 doesn't seem like much of a way to start a vacation. San Diego always has attracted more day and weekend visitors from the Inland Empire, because most times it's easier to drive from Riverside to Seaport Village than it is to drive to Santa Monica.
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Monterey County, CA
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I've lived in both, and each area has a lot to offer for visitors and residents. But from an LA point of view, the clogged drive down I-5 doesn't seem like much of a way to start a vacation. San Diego always has attracted more day and weekend visitors from the Inland Empire, because most times it's easier to drive from Riverside to Seaport Village than it is to drive to Santa Monica.
Yes, this hits the nail on the head. I am from one of the nicer parts of LA - Hermosa & Manhattan Beach. The 'only' reason I went to SD as I was growing up was to go surf there on ocassion. 20+ years ago SD was more of what ppl are describing here in terms of being more laid back and less crowded. Now it just seems like a copy cat of LA & OC in terms of excess, overdevelopment, over polluted environment with similar rushed, rude drivers, etc... Then on top of that many illegals from TJ have made this their new little crib. It is drier than LA hence all the crazy fires. Of course there are some nice areas like there are in LA. But it is really not that great for a day trip.

Most ppl that live in LA want to get away from the rat race when they have some vacation time. Driving to SD to go to overcrowded tourist areas is just more of the same. It is just an extension of the concrete jungle. The place to go if you live in LA is *North* to get out of the zoo. Go to the High Sierras, Big Sur, etc... which are the most scenic and least environmentally raped areas of the state. Many SD ppl never leave SD and feel that it is not only the best place in CA but on earth. LOL...

I know SD residents have a lot of pride in their city. We have relatives there and visit them a few times a year. But C'mon, do you really think SD is *that* much better than LA for ppl from the nicer parts of LA. Sorry it really isn't. This is a relative thing. It has nothing to do with LA ppl being elitist. SD is just not that exciting compared to other better places to visit in CA like Mammoth, Yosemite, Big Sur, Monterey or the NorCal lost coast.

After living in Colorado Springs with my family I would agree with Ludachris 100%. CS is the stepchild of Denver for Denver residents. This the same thing for LA residents looking at visiting San Diego. Denverites have everything they need and more in their city. And when they have vacation time they go to the Rocky Mountains not CS. And it doesn't take a genius to figure out why. Of course ppl living in CS think their city is better because it is smaller than Denver, has less traffic etc... But the reality is they are the two largest cities in the state and not *that* much different.

Derek

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Old 01-24-2009, 02:01 PM
 
Location: CO
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Yes, this hits the nail on the head. I am from one of the nicer parts of LA - Hermosa & Manhattan Beach. The 'only' reason I went to SD as I was growing up was to go surf there on ocassion. 20+ years ago SD was more of what ppl are describing here in terms of being more laid back and less crowded. Now it just seems like a copy cat of LA & OC in terms of excess, overdevelopment, over polluted environment with similar rushed, rude drivers, etc... Then on top of that many illegals from TJ have made this their new little crib. It is drier than LA hence all the crazy fires. Of course there are some nice areas like there are in LA. But it is really not that great for a day trip.

Most ppl that live in LA want to get away from the rat race when they have some vacation time. Driving to SD to go to overcrowded tourist areas is just more of the same. It is just an extension of the concrete jungle. The place to go if you live in LA is *North* to get out of the zoo. Go to the High Sierras, Big Sur, etc... which are the most scenic and least environmentally raped areas of the state. Many SD ppl never leave SD and feel that it is not only the best place in CA but on earth. LOL...

I know SD residents have a lot of pride in their city. We have relatives there and visit them a few times a year. But C'mon, do you really think SD is *that* much better than LA for ppl from the nicer parts of LA. Sorry it really isn't. This is a relative thing. It has nothing to do with LA ppl being elitist. SD is just not that exciting compared to other better places to visit in CA like Mammoth, Yosemite, Big Sur, Monterey or the NorCal lost coast.

After living in Colorado Springs with my family I would agree with Ludachris 100%. CS is the stepchild of Denver for Denver residents. This the same thing for LA residents looking at visiting San Diego. Denverites have everything they need and more in their city. And when they have vacation time they go to the Rocky Mountains not CS. And it doesn't take a genius to figure out why. Of course ppl living in CS think their city is better because it is smaller than Denver, has less traffic etc... But the reality is they are the two largest cities in the state and not *that* much different.

Derek
Very well summed up MtnSurfer... How's Monterey workin' out?
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Old 01-24-2009, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Monterey County, CA
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Great Ludachris,

Our family is really enjoying the Monterey area. There are so many things to do here for families it is amazing, especially if you love the outdoors which we do.

Essentially we moved away from S. Cal. to CO for all the common reasons: over crowding, over inflation, pollution of the land and sea, lack of wide open spaces, etc... When considering moving to be closer to the ocean again we agreed we would never return to S. Cal. Monterey offers the best qualities of the Cal. coastal lifestyle plus you get wide open spaces like Big Sur in your back yard. And you don't get the same kind of environmental raping of the coastline like you get in S. Cal. The population growth in Monterey and Pacific Grove for example is minimal or even flat in comparison with LA, OC & SD which continues to explode. We live with a small town environment and have deer walking thru our neighborhood from Pebble Beach. We hear sea lions barking at night. And we just went to watch Whales migiration south at Point Lobos.





On top of that we are only 4 hours from Yosemite Valley. So overall it is great!



Derek

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Old 01-24-2009, 03:48 PM
 
Location: here
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I live in SC and went to my gym for a workout. A woman around my age (25) started small talk with me and told me that she just moved here from Los Angeles.

We started to talk about California and she was describing it to me because I have never been. Then I asked her what San Diego was like?

Here response was is that she has never been there! I couldnt believe this. San Diego is only about two hours from LA if I am correct.

Anyways, I have met about five other people from L.A. that moved here and its always the same. They sort of act like San Diego doesnt exist or that they dont want to claim it as part of Cali.

I am just curious becuase one day I plan on visiting L.A., San Fran and San Diego. So my question is.....

WHAT IS WRONG WITH SAN DIEGO?
It is expensive to live there. Other than that, it's a nice place. I don't know why someone from LA wouldn't visit there, unless it is because they figure it isn't that much different than where they live. I'd WAY sooner live in SD than in LA.
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Old 01-24-2009, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles-213.323.310.818/San Diego-619.858.760
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On top of that, most people believe that L.A. is only going to get worse, so even if San Diego's quality of life deteriorates, it'll still be better than L.A. for day-to-day activities.
Personally, I think living in L.A. is nicer than living in San Diego since I have lived in both but you also have to consider that Im in my 20's. Who are these "most people"? the people here on City-Data? I joined this forum back in spring 07 and soon saw that this forum is filled mostly with people who hate their lives and place where they live. Im not too familiar with San Diego's changes and developments because I was young(19) when I moved out but I IN NO WAY see it as a small L.A.
Los Angeles is not getting worse, and if you lived here it would be evident. Throughout the years Ive seen this city change but of course, you still have those who will complain about anything.
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Old 01-25-2009, 04:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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After growing up in the Gold Rush country of rural Northern California, -and indoctrinated to hate all things Southern California-then moving directly to Hollywood after high school during its nadir (late 70's) back to Northern CA for college (Chico) and then down to San Diego 21 years ago I have seen both the attitudes, the cities and California change yet also understand the attitudes better.
First off San Diego is the 2nd largest city in California so comparing LA to SD as Denver to Colorado Springs is a bit of a stretch. Denver wishes it were SD and Colorado Springs, is a small evangelical town full of nothing more than churches, religious foundations and the Air Force academy.
San Diego of twenty years ago was a bit of Des Moines by the sea- and those attitudes about it persist, although the downtown has completely transformed itself into a compact but dynamic city since then. It of course is not NYC (and what is?) or LA but because the downtown is so compact it is an amazingly walkable and approachable area that one can explore a bit easier than most cities of similar size. Balboa Park is an absolute gem of culture and nature and is one of the few cities in the world to have such a concentration of most of its museums (and Zoo, and recreation) all in one stunning setting right downtown. The older neighborhoods surrounding it also represent much of the pulse and heart of the city now with many of the more recognized new restaurants, pubs and unique boutique shopping areas- just as LA is a city of unique neighborhoods each adding to the overall flavor of the greatness of that city so much more than the newer suburbs-so it is in SD, just in a much smaller scale.
Yes, over-developed north county is just an extension of Orange County excepting a couple of beach cities and SD represents much of the changes that have taken place in the state good and bad for the last few decades so it is easy to point out those flaws.
Despite the provincialists that exist in every city I can easily see why the residents of each city would want to visit the other. SD feels much more resort-like in attitude, compactness and accessibility to its downtown and to miles of stunning beaches, mountains and deserts just minutes out of downtown, LA has its own unique star quality feeling, far more exiting with gorgeous tree-lined neighborhoods right next to some the hottest clubs and restaurants in the world. The LACMA, Getty (both), the newly renovated Griffith Observatory, Huntington Botanical Gardens just to name a few cultural treasures are world class. It does take more driving, more energy and more patience to explore LA but its well worth the effort.
Some of us love our own city, and realize its flaws and limitations and therefore get off our asses and explore other cities for all the good bad (boring) and ugly that make up each area and revel in it all. Others just look down there nose and ask "why would anyone go there?"
Me, I love San Diego, and LA (and SF, NYC, London etc...) knowing that each has its own unique qualities to explore and each is far from perfect.

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Old 01-25-2009, 04:58 PM
 
Location: STL, but a California native.
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...Anyways, I have met about five other people from L.A. that moved here and its always the same. They sort of act like San Diego doesnt exist or that they dont want to claim it as part of Cali.

I am just curious becuase one day I plan on visiting L.A., San Fran and San Diego. So my question is.....

WHAT IS WRONG WITH SAN DIEGO?
Nothing. Just some of us that lived in LA and OC haven't spent much time in SD--except to pass through going to Mexico. If you live in OC, there's not much need to go outside to find things to do.
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Old 01-25-2009, 05:19 PM
 
Location: CO
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First off San Diego is the 2nd largest city in California so comparing LA to SD as Denver to Colorado Springs is a bit of a stretch. Denver wishes it were SD and Colorado Springs, is a small evangelical town full of nothing more than churches, religious foundations and the Air Force academy.
Actually, the context of my statement was simply about the people living in Denver and their attitudes towards Colorado Springs compared to those living in LA and their attitudes towards San Diego. Had you ever lived here in Denver you might see the similarities. I wasn't making any comparisons of the cities themselves - though your statement about Denver wishing it was San Diego is a bit of a stretch... but having come from CA, I know that type of elitist attitude well - I used to have it myself. Living here in Denver for almost 4 years now I've learned that the world doesn't revolve around CA and not everyone wishes they lived there. That's another discussion entirely though. To each his own.
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