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05-18-2009, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer
Great point and I wonder why they still count the way they do. Does someone Hispanic consider themselves white?
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It depends. Have you ever spent much time in Latin America? By and large it is very much a racial heirarchy with "pure whites" almost always making up the upper classes, mixed race people in the middle, and natives and/or blacks making up the bottom classes. There are exceptions, of course, but this general rule holds true.
As for white Hispanics. About 15%-20% of Mexico's population is completely white but you don't see many of them in the US because they're the upper class and are happy where they are while it is the lower classes who tend to leave and move here. Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay are all 90% plus white while Brazil is about 50% with white especially numerous in the south. Panama is mostly white as the Spanish quickly killed just about all the Indians and the same is true in Costa Rica but the rest of Central America is majority Indian as are the Andean nations.
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05-18-2009, 12:25 AM
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I can remember visiting a mining town in central Mexico where 80% plus of the population was Cornish with typical Cornish names as their grandparents and great grandparents were all miners from the Cornwall area of England and moved there to mine silver. There are also a great many German immigrants with the first wave occurring in the 19th century and a second wave occurring after WW1. German influence is especially felt in Norteno culture as polka inspired tunes make up a lot of the traditional music plus they make use of things like the accordion. Germans often set up towns in the central highlands as well since they were looking for a cool climate similar to that of central Europe.
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05-18-2009, 04:27 AM
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You guys truly make great points, wow Sass you have done it again, I really appreciate your intelligence regarding the different types of Hispanic people you made it very clear and distinct on the separation between the different races in the Hispanic population. The real Mexicans you can tell just by looking at them, they have a Indio look almost Asian in some ways, and of course the rest of Mexico is mainly Spanish blood mixed with Azteca blood. The whole Hispanic race is mixed with some Spanish, I don't think anyone today is truly one race, including South America where Brazilians are actually mix of Portuguese, Italian, and Afro-Caribbean.
Obviously when I am referring to Hispanics here in SD, I'm mostly talking about Mexicans, and Central Americans.
I never really considered Italians and Spanish people to be "White", because they have a Latin culture and most of them don't look White, maybe the Northern Italians, but the Southern half is like a different world with a different culture, and the people are dark skinned that have a more Mediterranean look.
I didn't realize White Hispanics are counted and actually combined with the White population. It's kinda strange but makes sense I guess , White Hispanic are Americanized Hispanics from what I am understanding, or a Hispanic person that was raised in America, so a Chicano Mexicano is basically a White Hispanic? Maybe it has to do with income or social class?
I know I can tell a difference, because I have family that are Chicano, and the other half is totally Chilango (straight from Mexico) Even though I have uncles that have been here in the US for 30+ years, they still have a hard time speaking English, and do it with an accent.
I have cousins that are mixed Mexican/Black, so I also have black family members, isn't that a trip 
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05-18-2009, 05:55 PM
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The cost of living is expensive in SD. I met more Latinos in LA than in SD although we are very close to the border.
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05-18-2009, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sdlife619
I didn't realize White Hispanics are counted and actually combined with the White population. It's kinda strange but makes sense I guess , White Hispanic are Americanized Hispanics from what I am understanding, or a Hispanic person that was raised in America, so a Chicano Mexicano is basically a White Hispanic? Maybe it has to do with income or social class?
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You are thoroughly confused.
Hispanic is not an ethnicity. It is a somewhat meaningless catch-all term like "Latino". "American" is not an ethnicity, it is a country. None of it has anything to do with income or social class.
Race (classification of human beings) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Ethnic group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hispanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
You can learn all this in Anthropology 101 at City College which is a class every college student has to take. There is controversy in these classifications as they are not entirely clear cut. Remember that next time you decide to talk about "uptight white people".
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06-26-2009, 02:32 AM
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I think you guys are reading too much into this. San Diego doesn't have many Hispanics because of this or that. What? I grew up in a border town in Texas. When they began to migrate north years ago they felt more comfortable as far away from the border as they could get. It's as simple as that. They fled inland because they feared the border patrol. If you look at all the border towns from San Diego to Brownsville you notice the same pattern has developed. There are very few immigrants ( Mexicans, Hondurans, Costa Ricans, Colombians, etc.) in all these border towns as well. They just don't stay and live on the border. From Brownsville to Laredo, up from there to Del Rio, on to El Paso past New Mexico and Arizona, ending in San Diego and all points in between it's the same story. You find the border patrol on the border. I've never seen them in Houston or Dallas.
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06-28-2009, 01:58 PM
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The cost of living is expensive in SD. I met more Latinos in LA than in SD although we are very close to the border.
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Plus Los Angeles is more Latinized than San Diego.
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06-28-2009, 11:20 PM
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Plus Los Angeles is more Latinized than San Diego.
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Because there is no Border Patrol in LA. The Border Patrol makes SD an unatractive place for a lot of illegals, not all, many do not want to take the risk. LAs open arms/welfare state makes it very attractive for illegals. ICE in LA cannot do anything with pro illegal groups, the media and politicians preventing them from doing their job. The next time you drive through a BP immigration checkpoint in SD county, thank the Agent you see for keeping SD from turning into a cesspool like LA.
God Bless the U.S. Border Patrol
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