San Diego County not a hot spot for Latino's (Los Angeles: fit in, 2009)

[sdlife619]

County not go-to spot for Latinos in region



I just saw this today on the UT website. I find it interesting, but yet very true on why SD County has the lowest Hispanic population out of the State of California. The Hispanic trend should be on rise here, and the local demographics for the Hispanic population should already be high like around 40% or even half, but it's really not, once you look at the stats. Also what's obviously true about SD County being conservative, this leads to a huge anti Hispanic crowd legal or illegal. This creates a hostile environment for Mexicans that are thinking of living here rather than up in LA or Orange County. The proximity to the border would be a given for many Hispanics to live here, I guess not. With abusive border patrol raids being used in many SD neighborhoods, it leaves a black stamp on that neighborhood forever especially places like Barrio Logan, Logan Heights, Sherman Heights, and various South Side SD neighborhoods.

Another major issue is housing, SD's housing is still expensive and vast majority of the Hispanic population is either poor or low middle class, so it's harder for these families to survive in San Diego, and these people wind up in either Riverside or San Berindeno County= lower cost of living. Many construction jobs are gone, which Hispanics dominate in that field of work, as well as the whole low end work force thus making it extremely hard for them to live off that kind of pay.

Another factor that the article doesn't state, is how San Diego's overall lack of embracement of the Latino community. Hispanics here don't really have a voice in politics, business, or are generally represented well .

The local media sort of gives off the impression that we are a nuisance and don't belong here, creating an even more hostile feeling towards many immigrants legal, illegal, and Chicano Mexicans.

San Diego's cultural also plays a role. SD's image is mostly a White [moderator cut] culture, and many Hispanics might not know how to fit in other predominantly White area's of San Diego County such as East County and North County, or even North San Diego and the beach area's. I think the racial segregation is pretty bad in San Diego compared to LA and the rest of SO Cal, by California standards at least, because in San Diego, Hispanic area's are all mostly located in South Bay, Mid City or SouthEast San Diego and these people don't venture out to other sections of San Diego. We try and act like we live in harmony amongst all racial backgrounds in SD, but it's simple not true in so many segments of the County. The older White population sees it as an invasion in a way because SD's racial look has been predominantly White for so many years and still is (but shrinking), that any kind of minority living in say Santee or La Mesa, looks strange, wrong, and out of place to some of them. People might be accepting here, but I feel that the Hispanic people think otherwise, or even the Black population. LA County and other So Cal cities are just more open to Hispanics compared to SD, even when I drive into LA, it's a totally different feeling (acceptance) when driving in SD. I blend in so much better up there, but when in SD, I always feel like I'm a target for something not good because of my race.

[sav858]

Somehow I knew you would start a thread on this, your rants are very predictable at this point.

You're probably one of the VERY few people that seem to want San Diego to turn into LA. Do you somehow get a kick out of all the racial violence up there? Do violent latino gangs entertain you or something?

And who the hell in their right mind wants their city to be a magnet for low skilled immigrants whether legal or not? I don't care what race or color one is but low skilled immigrants do not help the quality of life.

If you think LA is not segregated then you obviously haven't been around the whole city. Go to the Westside and then tell me LA is integrated and doesn't have its predominately white sections. The whole Westside feels like one giant white yuppie playground. LA is VERY segregated along racial and class lines, Orange County even more so. To pretend that LA is some land of racial harmony is the biggest load of BS.

If you think hispanics don't venture north of the 8 often then go to Mission Beach by Belmont Park on any given weekend and tell me the predominate race of the people you see there.

Maybe part of the problem is you are prejudiced against white people and are obsessed with race to the point it obscures reality for you. I am Latino and have never really had problems with my race here. I've never lived south of the 8 or PB for that matter. I work in coastal North County and don't have a problem with people here generally speaking, at least on day to day interactions. Maybe its b/c I don't go around looking and acting like some stereotype and don't have a chip on my shoulder.

[leighland]

Most of my friends in San Diego are South American with some Caribbeans (Cubans, PR's), college educated (at least a BA) and middle to upper middle class. I heard Mexican spanish all the time in my day to day life, like at the store (you learn the different accents after you've lived in SD awhile) but never interacted with any.

[jkoz]

Originally Posted by sdlife619

County not go-to spot for Latinos in region



I just saw this today on the UT website. I find it interesting, but yet very true on why SD County has the lowest Hispanic population out of the State of California. The Hispanic trend should be on rise here, and the local demographics for the Hispanic population should already be high like around 40% or even half, but it's really not, once you look at the stats. Also what's obviously true about SD County being conservative, this leads to a huge anti Hispanic crowd legal or illegal. This creates a hostile environment for Mexicans that are thinking of living here rather than up in LA or Orange County. The proximity to the border would be a given for many Hispanics to live here, I guess not. With abusive border patrol raids being used in many SD neighborhoods, it leaves a black stamp on that neighborhood forever especially places like Barrio Logan, Logan Heights, Sherman Heights, and various South Side SD neighborhoods.

Another major issue is housing, SD's housing is still expensive and vast majority of the Hispanic population is either poor or low middle class, so it's harder for these families to survive in San Diego, and these people wind up in either Riverside or San Berindeno County= lower cost of living. Many construction jobs are gone, which Hispanics dominate in that field of work, as well as the whole low end work force thus making it extremely hard for them to live off that kind of pay.

Another factor that the article doesn't state, is how San Diego's overall lack of embracement of the Latino community. Hispanics here don't really have a voice in politics, business, or are generally represented well .

The local media sort of gives off the impression that we are a nuisance and don't belong here, creating an even more hostile feeling towards many immigrants legal, illegal, and Chicano Mexicans.

San Diego's cultural also plays a role. SD's image is mostly a White [moderator cut] culture, and many Hispanics might not know how to fit in other predominantly White area's of San Diego County such as East County and North County, or even North San Diego and the beach area's. I think the racial segregation is pretty bad in San Diego compared to LA and the rest of SO Cal, by California standards at least, because in San Diego, Hispanic area's are all mostly located in South Bay, Mid City or SouthEast San Diego and these people don't venture out to other sections of San Diego. We try and act like we live in harmony amongst all racial backgrounds in SD, but it's simple not true in so many segments of the County. The older White population sees it as an invasion in a way because SD's racial look has been predominantly White for so many years and still is (but shrinking), that any kind of minority living in say Santee or La Mesa, looks strange, wrong, and out of place to some of them. People might be accepting here, but I feel that the Hispanic people think otherwise, or even the Black population. LA County and other So Cal cities are just more open to Hispanics compared to SD, even when I drive into LA, it's a totally different feeling (acceptance) when driving in SD. I blend in so much better up there, but when in SD, I always feel like I'm a target for something not good because of my race.

Living in Eastlake is like going for a ride on "It's a Small World" at Disneyland - Every culture (including of course Hispanic)under the globe is here--very diverse, for the most part very harmonious.

Regarding the media, there is a station called Azteca America (Cox ch. 15) that is dedicated totally to Hispanics in our community--you may want to tune in.

[blakazdog]

sdlife my man, its kool if you be latino and proud.

i'm African-American & proud.

buts it not all white folks dats pregudice.

they gots LaRazas and Black Panthers who is not tolerant.

but maybe LA is kooler for latins and African-Americans.

i've heard some white guy say there is too many cans in SanDiego.

i said what you mean by cans ?

he siad Mexicans and Africans.

that kat is not kool.

hang in there sdlife ......... you be kool.

[Huckleberry3911948]

one moment.
you dont like san diego do you?
san diego is 60% white
housing discrimination in san diego means an automatic law suit and you will win.
rent is high for everybody
border patrol raids in logan heights are the least of logans problems.
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signed
a non white

[skywalker400]

Originally Posted by sdlife619

County not go-to spot for Latinos in region



I just saw this today on the UT website. I find it interesting, but yet very true on why SD County has the lowest Hispanic population out of the State of California.

Uhh, no way Jose. The key is that San Diego is expensive, look at San Francisco, which is even more expensive and actually had a declining Hispanic percentage if I remember right. And people love diversity there I wrote a paper about North County cities and their immigration policies back in college and I do agree that there is some resistance to a rapid change in demographics, but there are similar cases just about everywhere in the west. LA has a much different economy and history than SD and that has shaped its Latino population greatly. San Diego has been largely shaped by military and tourism in the past, and not so much its connections with south of the border or a large industrial-port complex like elsewhere.

[sdlife619]

Originally Posted by skywalker400

Uhh, no way Jose. The key is that San Diego is expensive, look at San Francisco, which is even more expensive and actually had a declining Hispanic percentage if I remember right. And people love diversity there I wrote a paper about North County cities and their immigration policies back in college and I do agree that there is some resistance to a rapid change in demographics, but there are similar cases just about everywhere in the west. LA has a much different economy and history than SD and that has shaped its Latino population greatly. San Diego has been largely shaped by military and tourism in the past, and not so much its connections with south of the border or a large industrial-port complex like elsewhere.

Hasn't Oakland increased in it's Hispanic population? While the blacks have moved out in big numbers because of gentrification?

That's a very good point about SD. Yes the Military has shaped San Diego well into being this Pro American town unlike LA. The history's are different between the 2 cities, but it's still strange that SD has never really attracted large numbers of Hispanics even way back in the days. The increase of the Hispanics here, are mostly from birthrates, not necessarily because of newcomers.

After reading that report, it just confirms that something is out of whack with SD County.

Actually San Diego City is around 45% white, 27% Hispanic, 7% Black, 15% Asian.


To Sav858,

No I'm not some dude that is wanting SD to become like LA, no I don't get a kick out of any kind of gang violence or racial stuff that LA goes through. I take offense to what you said, and don't wish for any kind of violence to occur in any city, so that's such stupid thing to say. I'm trying to make a point that for some reason SDC still lacks a majority Latino status in the County, which is odd to me because of our border being so close to SD, that's all.

You probably never had any problems with your race in SD, because your most likely a well educated person, drive a nice car, and possible have money. I've been to LA many, many, many times, actually got family in Gardena. Yes the Westside has changed a lot in the recent years (much nicer), even parts of Downtown LA, but the majority of LA Metro is still Latino, the Westside is such a small section of the LA area, compared to the rest of Los Angeles I sure see people living in harmony in LA, amongst all racial backgrounds, yeah there is class segregation, but it's not as bad or as apparent like SD, since SD is more affluent. Long Beach I believe is the most racially diverse city in California. I encourage diversity, and embrace everyone, the more diverse people we have living here the better, it will open up peoples minds to other ethnic cultures and create a sense of acceptance regardless of class. It also makes everything feel so worldly and international.

So no I don't hate on white people, it might sound like I do, but I'm just giving you a perspective of where I'm coming from, and tell things like it is. Some people take it the wrong way, I'm sorry if I upset anyone, but I'm not gonna sit here and act like everything is so hunky dory in SD. It would be great if San Diego County racially lines were all split 25-30%, so nobody is a majority, how does that sound?

[jkoz]

Originally Posted by sdlife619

To Sav858,
You probably never had any problems with your race in SD, because your most likely a well educated person, drive a nice car, and possible have money.

Not to butt in here, but his race is YOUR race! He mentioned he was a Latino--you're both Hispanic--with different perspectives.

[Oerdin]

Most just pass through San Diego on their way to LA or to the farm fields in the central valley.