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Old 09-02-2010, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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Why are you willing to point out particular neighborhoods in San Francisco as low in come and well off. However you think all of Oakland is one way? Oakland is a large city with many different area's just like SF. What makes you think the entire city is like Richmond or even comparable?
I don't think Oakland or Richmond is all one way or the other. When did I EVER say that? I've spent enough time hiking in the East Bay Hills around the Redwood Regional Park (BTW, very beautiful place to go hiking at sunset) to know that Oakland isn't "this" or "that". Richmond isn't even all the same.

I was pointing to people's attitudes in the 680 corridor. You're reading way too much something that was unsaid.

Did you want me to say "East Oakland" and "Iron Triangle". Would that have made you feel better?

Relax man. I'm not here to bash Oakland or Richmond. If anything, I felt way unsafer walking down People's Park in Berkeley at night than any point in Oakland or Richmond (simply because the bums around there throw bottles at you from time to time)
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:13 PM
 
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I don't think Oakland or Richmond is all one way or the other. When did I EVER say that? I've spent enough time hiking in the East Bay Hills around the Redwood Regional Park (BTW, very beautiful place to go hiking at sunset) to know that Oakland isn't "this" or "that". Richmond isn't even all the same.

I was pointing to people's attitudes in the 680 corridor. You're reading way too much something that was unsaid.

Did you want me to say "East Oakland" and "Iron Triangle". Would that have made you feel better?

Relax man. I'm not here to bash Oakland or Richmond. If anything, I felt way unsafer walking down People's Park in Berkeley at night than any point in Oakland or Richmond (simply because the bums around there throw bottles at you from time to time)
I guess I read too much in it being that you responded to a certain poster. My apologies.
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: San Leandro
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In my life experience I have not found northern california to be any less vapid, hollow, shallow, fake, than southern california. Its just different. People are shallow vapid and fake about different things.

And in general I have found southern californians to be a rather upfront folk, theyre good people.

Last edited by NorCal Dude; 09-02-2010 at 01:27 PM.. Reason: so cal folks
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:17 PM
 
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In my life experience I have not found northern california to be any less vapid, hollow, shallow, fake, than southern california. Its just different. People are shallow vapid and fake about different things.
This is true.
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:55 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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The inner urban East Bay (Oakland and especially Berkeley), actually reminds me quite a bit of Seattle. Walking around the Gourmet Ghetto, Downtown Berkeley, Ashby/College, Temescal, Grand Lake, or Rockridge feels very similar to walking through Capitol Hill, Queen Anne, or Fremont. At least that's my opinion.

The most Southern California-esque part of the Bay Area is definitely the South Bay, but I think everyone already knows that.
I've said this exact thing before and share that opinion. Oakland and Berkeley definitely feel more like PNW than Ca.
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:56 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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^ I totally agree. The East Bay is much more like Seattle than anywhere in SoCal, especially San Diego. I just got back from a wedding in San Diego and I was reminded just how little in common I had with everyone I met.

People are free to disagree and make up whatever associations they want, but California native or not, I've lived in both places long enough to know that you can't really compare them to each other.

The culture in San Diego reminds me far more of Sacramento than anywhere. Just look at the way people dress.

See, I too can make up a subjective assertion based on whatever it is I feel like. But since I haven't actually lived in Sac, my opinion doesn't really matter very much since people who have lived in both places will probably disagree with me.
I think the outer east bay is more like San Diego for sure.
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Old 09-02-2010, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Mission Viejo, CA / San Rafael, CA
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Yeah, there's just too much hyperbole when places like that are spoken about. I find it odd that people in the 680 corridor pick on places like Concord, when Oakland and Richmond are only 20 miles away. Perspective, I guess, clouds people's judgment.

If the OC's "worst" is Santa Ana, compared to SF's "worst" in Hunter's Point, you can get a glimpse of the HUGE culture difference. People focus too much on the high end of the spectrum, but neglect to state the low one. There's a HUGER disparity between the Marina District in SF and Hunter's Point, than there is between Newport Beach and Santa Ana.

That being said; it depends what "culture" you're into.
Exactly. I live in both SoCal and NorCal so I have a unique view on Oakland, Hunter's Point, and Santa Ana and how they compare to each other. Santa Ana is lower-middle class on average, fairly comparable to Concord, El Cerrito, and places like that.

Oakland and Hunter's Point are some of the most violent, crime filled communities I've ever encountered in my life (and I've stepped foot in Somalia for business).
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Old 09-02-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: San Leandro
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I would not say santa ana is comparable to concord or el cerritto. Santa Ana is illegaled out. It might as well be mexico. Santa Ana is more like east side san jo.
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Old 09-02-2010, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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I would not say santa ana is comparable to concord or el cerritto. Santa Ana is illegaled out. It might as well be mexico. Santa Ana is more like east side san jo.
In terms of demographics, I wouldn't say so (but for the Bay Area, maybe).

http://www.city-data.com/city/Santa-Ana-California.html



East Side San Jose (95122)
http://www.city-data.com/zips/95122.html
http://pics.city-data.com/zraces/30489.jpg (broken link)

For comparison, here's Concord (http://www.city-data.com/city/Concord-California.html)



In terms of crime rate, Santa Ana and Concord are roughly at the same level.

US Median City Data Crime Index (320.9)
Santa Ana: 263.9
Concord: 303.1
No statistics on East San Jose are available

Santa Ana and Concord (as a whole) are statistically safer than the weighted average of all US cities.

I don't think Hunter's Point or East Oakland are even CLOSE to that point. Maybe its "Outer East Bay" dangerous or "Southern Orange County" dangerous, but not absolutely dangerous
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Old 09-02-2010, 03:01 PM
 
Location: San Leandro
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In terms of demographics, I wouldn't say so (but for the Bay Area, maybe).

http://www.city-data.com/city/Santa-Ana-California.html



East Side San Jose (95122)
http://www.city-data.com/zips/95122.html


For comparison, here's Concord (http://www.city-data.com/city/Concord-California.html)



In terms of crime rate, Santa Ana and Concord are roughly at the same level.

US Median City Data Crime Index (320.9)
Santa Ana: 263.9
Concord: 303.1
No statistics on East San Jose are available

Santa Ana and Concord (as a whole) are statistically safer than the weighted average of all US cities.

I don't think Hunter's Point or East Oakland are even CLOSE to that point. Maybe its "Outer East Bay" dangerous or "Southern Orange County" dangerous, but not absolutely dangerous
I dont really get the whole point of your post, I never once implied anything about crime rate. I was speaking in terms of racial demographic. Concord is still a majority white city, Santa Ana gained notoriety for flop houses for illegals, back in the 1980's. Santa Ana is a barrio like east san jose, its just much more close to mexico and there is no silicon valley near by so its even more barriod out.
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