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HAHA, sorry and no offense but this is just BS and sounds like some hippie, bleeding heart stuff to me. I don't buy this at all and there isn't any conclusive evidence to support it. It's not like countries with low circumcision rates are peaceful utopia's either.
It's moot because there isn't strong evidence to support this. You believe it because you want to and it supports your viewpoint. You keep going down this slippery slope then that line will be eventually moved to a place where you might not like it, then I guess there goes the consistency of your argument/position. Maybe one day society will be at a point where people don't want it, but until that point arrives I don't see a problem with it nor any reason to ban it. There isn't some huge movement to ban it, just a small group of bleeding hearts who want to impose their beliefs on everyone else.
Also isn't this violation of religious freedom too? How would you get around that?
We all have to draw the line somewhere. I'm sure you draw the line at female hoodectomies (which is similar to male circumcisions) in infants and giving babies tattoos. One person's benign is another persons mutilation. If the vast majority of the world does not practice circumcision of newborns for medical reasons, I'm sure that does say something about American culture and how it is deeply flawed. I could provide all the evidence in the world to prove that circumcision does more harm than good, but it still wouldn't be enough because American culture is just accepting of circumcision.
Perhaps doctors should remove the appendix, tonsils, clitoral hoods and numerous other body parts on newly born babies to prevent all sorts of illnesses. Afterall, since there is a lack of data suggesting that performing such procedures on babies causes pyschological trauma, it then must be okay and only be banned if there is OVERWHELMING compelling evidence that undeniably proves that removal of various body parts at birth does indeed cause pyschological trauma.
I have never met one man who was circumcized who says he regrets it. Now perhaps I don't know the right men, but I am telling you that all the guys I know who I've conversed with said they wouldn't want to be uncut. They do not remember the trauma. My child had 12 SPINAL TAPS at 29 days old. He is no worse for the wear because of them, although watching it was horrific. Same thing. Now if you are complaining because some sensation will be gone, boohoo. Like you all don't get hard-ons enough? You really need MORE sensation?
Now here is something I am concerned about.
"Halperin (and his “mafia of nerds”) have long pointed to a potent “lethal cocktail” of African AIDS epidemiology: lack of male circumcision and multiple concurrent sexual partnerships. The foreskin, incidentally, is teeming with Langerhans cells, which act as virtual magnets for HIV; it is nine times more receptive to the virus than any other region on the genitals (it also frequently experiences small tears during sex, which also opens the bloodstream to the virus).
The statistics Halperin presented to make his case are telling. In Botswana, for example, only an estimated 15 percent of men are circumcised and 65 percent of men reported “high-risk” sex with multiple partners. That nation’s AIDS rate among adults is an incomprehensible 25 percent. And yet, in Tanzania, 70 percent of men are circumcised and a comparable 52 percent engage in high-risk sex. And Tanzania’s AIDS rate is 7 percent.
Meanwhile, in Ethiopia, 75 percent of men are circumcised and only 21 percent are swingers, resulting in a 2 percent infection rate."
But do you need studies to prove every pyschological trauma? If there are no to very few studies about ear amputations at birth causing psych trauma, then it should be permitted until sufficient studies exist? Ears get dirty and infected and if you cut off the ears, it reduces ear infections by a great deal.
I pierced my daughters ears when they were 7 months old. Hurts a lot less then when they are 12. How do I know? Because I had it done at both of those ages. I am thankful my parents were thoughtful enough to do it as an infant.
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How would you feel about routine removal of the clitoral hood merely for hygene and aesthetic reasons?
If there was a hygenic aspect to it and it prevented their odds of getting a disease later in life, I would consider it. Personally, that would make me an orgasm machine. It is bad enough as it is, a bumpy ride can set it off. Imagine no hood to protect the explosive feelings. Yikes. But some women are different.. Some even pierce the hood for MORE feelings. Not I.
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Also, have you experienced both and uncut and cut penises?
Why yes, yes i have.
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From nearly all the surveys I have read, the vast majority of women preferred the sensations created by an uncut penis. Yes, many American women are turned off aesthetics of an uncirc penis, but that;s because of society. But most American women who personally have experienced both, prefer the sensations of uncut penises.
What survey? I am talking real PRACTICAL LIFE. PS the sensations are the same, it is all about visual factor. There is no difference in feeling, ONLY to the guy.
I am talking about people who are real here in the bay area, who have experiences. Please show me the survey and what county these women live in.
In Tonga Fat chicks rule the world, in America, not so much. DISCUSS.
You can argue there are benefits but either way, circumcision isn't a problem in society that needs to be banned
Considering the highly emotional arguments some of you have been putting up, it clearly is about your likes and dislikes.
You're right, I don't like it that baby boys have their penises unnecessarily sliced up without their consent. I think it's a "problem" that we inflict pain upon children without justification. Watch this video of a circumcision, and tell me why we should allow this visitation of pain upon infants:
Well you seem to think that circumcision is disfiguring and mutilating a child. I don't consider myself disfigured or mutilated at all and I don't know anyone else who does. I've never heard someone wish their parents didn't circumcise them. You obviously have some strong opinion about this but it's just that. I don't buy into that BS that it's "mutilating" or "disfiguring"..
I completely agree with this. I don't feel mutilated or disfigured at all either. I think the arguments against it are silly.
We all have to draw the line somewhere. I'm sure you draw the line at female hoodectomies (which is similar to male circumcisions) in infants and giving babies tattoos. One person's benign is another persons mutilation. If the vast majority of the world does not practice circumcision of newborns for medical reasons, I'm sure that does say something about American culture and how it is deeply flawed. I could provide all the evidence in the world to prove that circumcision does more harm than good, but it still wouldn't be enough because American culture is just accepting of circumcision.
As has been stated, studies show female circumcision has many more negatives associated with it compared to male circumcision so I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. You could provide all this evidence that you CHOOSE to believe but there isn't any conclusive evidence that there are negative effects from circumcision, so again I don't get why you keep bring that up.
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Perhaps doctors should remove the appendix, tonsils, clitoral hoods and numerous other body parts on newly born babies to prevent all sorts of illnesses. Afterall, since there is a lack of data suggesting that performing such procedures on babies causes pyschological trauma, it then must be okay and only be banned if there is OVERWHELMING compelling evidence that undeniably proves that removal of various body parts at birth does indeed cause pyschological trauma.
Again with the slipper slopes BS. You're getting emotional and keep bringing up the same crap over and over. Since you want to go down a slipper slope, do you think abortion should be outlawed too?
You're right, I don't like it that baby boys have their penises unnecessarily sliced up without their consent. I think it's a "problem" that we inflict pain upon children without justification. Watch this video of a circumcision, and tell me why we should allow this visitation of pain upon infants:
Yep we know your heart bleeds for the circumcised penises of newborns. So basically all you have is your emotional arguments and want to impose that on everyone else. Do you also believe abortions should be outlawed?
Two five year old boys are standing at the potty to pee.
When one says, " Your thing doesn't have any skin on it!"
" I've been circumcised." Says the second boy.
" What does that mean?"
"It means they cut the skin off the end."
" How old were you when it was cut off?"
" My mom said that I was two days old."
" Did it hurt?"
" You bet it hurt, I couldn't walk for a year!"
The Emperor of Japan advertises for a new bodygaurd. Three swordsmen apply: one is Japanese, one is Chinese, and one is Jewish. To test him, the Emperor lets a fly loose in the room and tells the Chinese swordsman to kill it. The swordsmansweeps down his blade and chops the fly in two. The Japanese swordsman is given the same test. He swings his sword twice and manages to cut the fly into quarters before it hits the ground. The Jewish swordsman is then given a fly. He chases it around the room, swings his sword a few times, then sits down with the fly buzzing around his head. "Why have you stopped?" ask the Emperor. "The fly is still alive." "Yes," replies the Jewish swordsman. "But now it's circumcised."
A surgeon retires from his long career as a specialistin circumcision. Throughtout his career he has saved hundreds of foreskins as mementos and now wishes to turn them into a souvenir. He takes his specimens to a leathersmith and asks him to make something out of them. A week later the surgeon returns and the leathersmith presents him with a wallet. "All those foreskins and you only made me a wallet?" exclaims the surgeon. The leathersmith replies, "Yes, but if you stroke it, it becomes a briefcase."
Funny one-liners
What happened to the short-sighted circumcisor? He got the sack.
When they circumcised him, they threw away the wrong bit.
Why are Jewish men circumcised? Because Jewish women won't touch anything unless it's 20 percent off!
This is one "nanny state" measure that I actually support the intent of, as circumcision is bad for kids' physical and mental health and most hetero or bi women in the US like them uncut. I'd have to ask my gay friends as to whether being circ'ed makes a difference but hetero women despise circ'ed male organs. However, circumcision is on the decline in the US as a whole and especially in the Western states and it's better that the government not get involved here. It will probably disappear on its own. So, even though the intent here is good, it isn't SF's business to end this practice (amongst non-Jews and non-Muslims) as much as I really do think it should be ended.
I think there are also definite religious freedom concerns involving banning circumcision - while SF's Jewish population, like the CA Jewish population as a whole, is so super-assimilated that they wouldn't care if circumcision was banned, SF's Muslim population would object. CAIR would assuredly sue the city if this actually got passed for violating the 1st Amendment. Similar religious freedom concerns involving Jews and Muslims killed bills in the State Legislature which would have banned circumcision in California.
Uncircumcised penises are ugly and dirty.
Sorry I always though uncircumcised penises were abnormal as most guys in the United States are circumsized. I prefer them fat and cut.
I guess I'm old school, and just prefer old fashioned vagina.
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Uncircumcised penises are ugly and dirty.
Sorry I always though uncircumcised penises were abnormal as most guys in the United States are circumsized. I prefer them fat and cut.
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