Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > California > San Francisco - Oakland
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-31-2011, 08:57 PM
 
37 posts, read 115,429 times
Reputation: 41

Advertisements

After reading people say here that violent crime in Oakland is isolated to a few specific areas, I found a homicide map of the city and I'm having a little trouble finding these "safe neighborhoods".

Homicides in Oakland 2007-2009 (http://www.sfgate.com/maps/oaklandhomicides/ - broken link)

Am I missing something? Because this map makes some of the comments in this thread laughable.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-31-2011, 09:03 PM
 
Location: South Korea
5,242 posts, read 13,074,702 times
Reputation: 2958
0 in the Temescal north of 40th (which is surprising), 0 in Rockridge, 1 in Adams Point, 0 in Cleveland Heights. Good job reading your own link.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-31-2011, 09:30 PM
 
37 posts, read 115,429 times
Reputation: 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by mayorhaggar View Post
0 in the Temescal north of 40th (which is surprising), 0 in Rockridge, 1 in Adams Point, 0 in Cleveland Heights. Good job reading your own link.
Those are really small neighborhoods to be having even one murder over a three year time span. Adams Point for example only has 10k people. And they all border areas with numerous recent homicides. So I guess they're safe neighborhoods, as long as you don't walk two blocks away? Those neighborhoods are too small to get a very accurate picture, statistically. It helps to include their surrounding areas.
And none of those seem to be in West Oakland, which was mentioned as having some 'nice areas'.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-31-2011, 09:46 PM
 
Location: The Bay
6,914 posts, read 14,744,821 times
Reputation: 3120
Quote:
Originally Posted by valleys_of_hills View Post
Those are really small neighborhoods to be having even one murder over a three year time span. Adams Point for example only has 10k people. And they all border areas with numerous recent homicides. So I guess they're safe neighborhoods, as long as you don't walk two blocks away? Those neighborhoods are too small to get a very accurate picture, statistically. It helps to include their surrounding areas.
And none of those seem to be in West Oakland, which was mentioned as having some 'nice areas'.

Yes, West Oakland does have some nice areas. You need to be looking at the map... the Oak Center area (the best area of West Oakland) had no murders and neither did South Prescott. And what's your point? No one said that West Oakland was the safest side of Oakland.


Anyway, full list of the neighborhoods that didn't have any murders any of the three years:


Oak Center
South Prescott
Rockridge
Cleveland Heights
Lakeshore
Trestle Glen
Jack London
Glenview
Oakmore
Lincoln Highlands
Redwood Heights
Maxwell Park
Leona Heights
Caballo Hills
Eastmont Hills
Sequoyah
Sheffield Village
Piedmont Pines
Montclair
Upper Rockridge
Glen Highlands
Shafter
Fairview Park
Northgate Waverly
Old City
Ivy Hill
Bella Vista
Crestmont
Woodminster
Skyline-Hillcrest
Forestland
Canyon


You obviously weren't looking too hard.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-31-2011, 10:00 PM
 
Location: The Bay
6,914 posts, read 14,744,821 times
Reputation: 3120
Let's look at a map of SF while we're at it...


Homicides in San Francisco 2007-2009 (http://www.sfgate.com/maps/sfhomicides/ - broken link)


neighborhoods with no murders over 3 years:


Castro
Dolores Heights
Noe Valley
Balboa Terrace
Sunnyside
Westwood Highlands
Clarendon Heights
Diamond Heights
Monterey Heights
Lakeshore
Outer Sunset
Inner Parkside
Forest Knolls
Ashbury Heights
Nob Hill
Pacific Heights
Cow Hollow
Marina District
Presidio Heights
Outer Richmond
Embarcadero


Even taking into account that SF is .85 times the landmass of Oakland and has about twice as many people, this isn't particularly impressive for a city that has 80+ neighborhoods.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-31-2011, 11:12 PM
rah
 
Location: Oakland
3,314 posts, read 9,233,889 times
Reputation: 2538
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nineties Flava View Post
Let's look at a map of SF while we're at it...


Homicides in San Francisco 2007-2009 (http://www.sfgate.com/maps/sfhomicides/ - broken link)


neighborhoods with no murders over 3 years:


Castro
Dolores Heights
Noe Valley
Balboa Terrace
Sunnyside
Westwood Highlands
Clarendon Heights
Diamond Heights
Monterey Heights
Lakeshore
Outer Sunset
Inner Parkside
Forest Knolls
Ashbury Heights
Nob Hill
Pacific Heights
Cow Hollow
Marina District
Presidio Heights
Outer Richmond
Embarcadero


Even taking into account that SF is .85 times the landmass of Oakland and has about twice as many people, this isn't particularly impressive for a city that has 80+ neighborhoods.
That SFgate map is not entirely accurate. The following actually have had at least one murder from 2007-2009:

the Marina
outer Richmond
Noe Valley
the Castro
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-31-2011, 11:39 PM
 
Location: The Bay
6,914 posts, read 14,744,821 times
Reputation: 3120
Quote:
Originally Posted by rah View Post
That SFgate map is not entirely accurate. The following actually have had at least one murder from 2007-2009:

the Marina
outer Richmond
Noe Valley
the Castro

SF under-reports all of its crime anyway so these are just the ones we know about lol.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-01-2011, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Police State
1,472 posts, read 2,409,349 times
Reputation: 1232
Quote:
Originally Posted by valleys_of_hills View Post
Those are really small neighborhoods to be having even one murder over a three year time span. Adams Point for example only has 10k people. And they all border areas with numerous recent homicides. So I guess they're safe neighborhoods, as long as you don't walk two blocks away? Those neighborhoods are too small to get a very accurate picture, statistically. It helps to include their surrounding areas.
And none of those seem to be in West Oakland, which was mentioned as having some 'nice areas'.
LMAO, damage control. Is this Mr. Fantastic's alt account?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-02-2011, 10:29 PM
 
Location: The Bay and Maryland
1,361 posts, read 3,713,456 times
Reputation: 2167
Quote:
And I think the main thing that makes people feel safer in Oakland than in SF is that for a city like SF to be having 100 murders when its poverty rate is about half that of Oakland's, these "poverty zones" have to be especially terrible. And they are. At this point there's NOTHING in Oakland that looks like Sunnydale or PH... while the Acorns in west oakland and the Ville in East Oakland are still violent, the poverty isn't as extreme as it is in SF. Its also somewhat... interesting... that despite that SF has a much tinier black population, blacks are twice as likely to be murdered in SF than they are in Oakland. Can you think of anywhere else like that?
Having a worse murder rate for Blacks than Oakland is not an easy task either because Oakland is often in the top ten worst cities for homicide every year. So if Blacks are twice as likely to be murdered in SF, then the City by the Bay is one of the top deadliest cities for Black folks in the entire nation on par with much more infamous cities like Baltimore.

Ultimately, I think that the extremes in poverty and wealth and the demographics of who gets victimized in SF is what forms such ignorant attitudes about safety in the City. The rich areas of SF are really, really rich. Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg and the CEO of Craigslist aren't getting into bloody shootouts in the streets of Frisco. The poor areas of SF are on the exact opposite extreme of the income/class spectrum. But if you are young and Black, Hispanic or even Asian in the wrong place, you can easily get killed for no reason in SF. Scratch that, there are hood Whiteboys who hangout even in the hardest areas of the City in Sunnydale and Lakeview. Basically, if you are young, male and not rich/yuppie/hipster/trustafarian in many areas of SF you might very well get victimized.

Last edited by goldenchild08; 02-02-2011 at 11:06 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-02-2011, 10:35 PM
 
1,650 posts, read 3,517,875 times
Reputation: 1142
Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenchild08 View Post
Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg and the CEO of Craigslist aren't getting into bloody shootouts in the streets of Frisco.
Jobs and Zuckerberg don't live in SF. The Craigslist CEO lives in Cole Valley I think and its pretty safe.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > California > San Francisco - Oakland

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top