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Old 01-31-2011, 08:57 PM
 
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After reading people say here that violent crime in Oakland is isolated to a few specific areas, I found a homicide map of the city and I'm having a little trouble finding these "safe neighborhoods".

Homicides in Oakland 2007-2009 (http://www.sfgate.com/maps/oaklandhomicides/ - broken link)

Am I missing something? Because this map makes some of the comments in this thread laughable.
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Old 01-31-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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0 in the Temescal north of 40th (which is surprising), 0 in Rockridge, 1 in Adams Point, 0 in Cleveland Heights. Good job reading your own link.
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Old 01-31-2011, 09:30 PM
 
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0 in the Temescal north of 40th (which is surprising), 0 in Rockridge, 1 in Adams Point, 0 in Cleveland Heights. Good job reading your own link.
Those are really small neighborhoods to be having even one murder over a three year time span. Adams Point for example only has 10k people. And they all border areas with numerous recent homicides. So I guess they're safe neighborhoods, as long as you don't walk two blocks away? Those neighborhoods are too small to get a very accurate picture, statistically. It helps to include their surrounding areas.
And none of those seem to be in West Oakland, which was mentioned as having some 'nice areas'.
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Old 01-31-2011, 09:46 PM
 
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Those are really small neighborhoods to be having even one murder over a three year time span. Adams Point for example only has 10k people. And they all border areas with numerous recent homicides. So I guess they're safe neighborhoods, as long as you don't walk two blocks away? Those neighborhoods are too small to get a very accurate picture, statistically. It helps to include their surrounding areas.
And none of those seem to be in West Oakland, which was mentioned as having some 'nice areas'.

Yes, West Oakland does have some nice areas. You need to be looking at the map... the Oak Center area (the best area of West Oakland) had no murders and neither did South Prescott. And what's your point? No one said that West Oakland was the safest side of Oakland.


Anyway, full list of the neighborhoods that didn't have any murders any of the three years:


Oak Center
South Prescott
Rockridge
Cleveland Heights
Lakeshore
Trestle Glen
Jack London
Glenview
Oakmore
Lincoln Highlands
Redwood Heights
Maxwell Park
Leona Heights
Caballo Hills
Eastmont Hills
Sequoyah
Sheffield Village
Piedmont Pines
Montclair
Upper Rockridge
Glen Highlands
Shafter
Fairview Park
Northgate Waverly
Old City
Ivy Hill
Bella Vista
Crestmont
Woodminster
Skyline-Hillcrest
Forestland
Canyon


You obviously weren't looking too hard.
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Old 01-31-2011, 10:00 PM
 
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Let's look at a map of SF while we're at it...


Homicides in San Francisco 2007-2009 (http://www.sfgate.com/maps/sfhomicides/ - broken link)


neighborhoods with no murders over 3 years:


Castro
Dolores Heights
Noe Valley
Balboa Terrace
Sunnyside
Westwood Highlands
Clarendon Heights
Diamond Heights
Monterey Heights
Lakeshore
Outer Sunset
Inner Parkside
Forest Knolls
Ashbury Heights
Nob Hill
Pacific Heights
Cow Hollow
Marina District
Presidio Heights
Outer Richmond
Embarcadero


Even taking into account that SF is .85 times the landmass of Oakland and has about twice as many people, this isn't particularly impressive for a city that has 80+ neighborhoods.
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Old 01-31-2011, 11:12 PM
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Let's look at a map of SF while we're at it...


Homicides in San Francisco 2007-2009 (http://www.sfgate.com/maps/sfhomicides/ - broken link)


neighborhoods with no murders over 3 years:


Castro
Dolores Heights
Noe Valley
Balboa Terrace
Sunnyside
Westwood Highlands
Clarendon Heights
Diamond Heights
Monterey Heights
Lakeshore
Outer Sunset
Inner Parkside
Forest Knolls
Ashbury Heights
Nob Hill
Pacific Heights
Cow Hollow
Marina District
Presidio Heights
Outer Richmond
Embarcadero


Even taking into account that SF is .85 times the landmass of Oakland and has about twice as many people, this isn't particularly impressive for a city that has 80+ neighborhoods.
That SFgate map is not entirely accurate. The following actually have had at least one murder from 2007-2009:

the Marina
outer Richmond
Noe Valley
the Castro
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Old 01-31-2011, 11:39 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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That SFgate map is not entirely accurate. The following actually have had at least one murder from 2007-2009:

the Marina
outer Richmond
Noe Valley
the Castro

SF under-reports all of its crime anyway so these are just the ones we know about lol.
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Old 02-01-2011, 09:05 AM
 
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Those are really small neighborhoods to be having even one murder over a three year time span. Adams Point for example only has 10k people. And they all border areas with numerous recent homicides. So I guess they're safe neighborhoods, as long as you don't walk two blocks away? Those neighborhoods are too small to get a very accurate picture, statistically. It helps to include their surrounding areas.
And none of those seem to be in West Oakland, which was mentioned as having some 'nice areas'.
LMAO, damage control. Is this Mr. Fantastic's alt account?
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Old 02-02-2011, 10:29 PM
 
Location: The Bay and Maryland
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And I think the main thing that makes people feel safer in Oakland than in SF is that for a city like SF to be having 100 murders when its poverty rate is about half that of Oakland's, these "poverty zones" have to be especially terrible. And they are. At this point there's NOTHING in Oakland that looks like Sunnydale or PH... while the Acorns in west oakland and the Ville in East Oakland are still violent, the poverty isn't as extreme as it is in SF. Its also somewhat... interesting... that despite that SF has a much tinier black population, blacks are twice as likely to be murdered in SF than they are in Oakland. Can you think of anywhere else like that?
Having a worse murder rate for Blacks than Oakland is not an easy task either because Oakland is often in the top ten worst cities for homicide every year. So if Blacks are twice as likely to be murdered in SF, then the City by the Bay is one of the top deadliest cities for Black folks in the entire nation on par with much more infamous cities like Baltimore.

Ultimately, I think that the extremes in poverty and wealth and the demographics of who gets victimized in SF is what forms such ignorant attitudes about safety in the City. The rich areas of SF are really, really rich. Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg and the CEO of Craigslist aren't getting into bloody shootouts in the streets of Frisco. The poor areas of SF are on the exact opposite extreme of the income/class spectrum. But if you are young and Black, Hispanic or even Asian in the wrong place, you can easily get killed for no reason in SF. Scratch that, there are hood Whiteboys who hangout even in the hardest areas of the City in Sunnydale and Lakeview. Basically, if you are young, male and not rich/yuppie/hipster/trustafarian in many areas of SF you might very well get victimized.

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Old 02-02-2011, 10:35 PM
 
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Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg and the CEO of Craigslist aren't getting into bloody shootouts in the streets of Frisco.
Jobs and Zuckerberg don't live in SF. The Craigslist CEO lives in Cole Valley I think and its pretty safe.
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