To those who think SF is safer than Oakland-:) (San Leandro: luxury, living in)

[NorCal Dude]

y'all so crazy.

[415_s2k]

I wish that more people would just chalk things up to the fact that they dislike a certain place instead of resorting to making idiotic claims that have no factual data.

I don't like Seattle. The year and a few months I spent there were awful, and I'd never consider living there again for any reason. I don't need data to back up my miserable experience. Data suggests that Seattle is well-educated, but I didn't find the climate to be exceptionally intellectual. Data suggests that Seattlites are healthier than the average American, yet I found the city largely unattractive. My experience is what is real to me, and I don't give a crap what data anyone slings at me to prove that the place is "nice," because it's not a nice place to me!

If you don't like San Francisco because you lived here and some bum peed in your coffee because you wouldn't give him change and your girlfriend left you for someone wealthier than you and then a kid broke into your car and stole your tea kettle and double-sided jelly dong and then you realized there's too many Asians walking around and the place smells like sesame oil, diesel and urine, then fine, you had a crap time here and don't want to come back. You don't need data to justify how much you do or don't like something.

[Chevykid]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dude

y'all hella crazy.

*fixed

[Gentoo]

What in the hell happened to this thread?

[andyadhi01]

Originally Posted by jman650

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

This is what I get for opting to read this guy's BS. I only have myself to blame because I do already know better.

Here, allow me to SCHOOL you and clear up this set of your LIES:

Dallas
Annual crimes per 100k residents:

Violent - 13.61
Property - 81.05
Total - 94.66

Chances of becoming a victim in Dallas - 1 in 73

Raw Totals/Rates per 100k residents:

Murder - 248/21
Rape - 591/50
Robbery - 7,468/629
Assault - 7,866/662
Burglary - 23,184/1,951
Theft - 59,046/4,717
Motor Vehicle Theft - 15,924/13.40

San Francisco
Annual crimes per 100k residents:

Violent - 7.44
Property - 47.85
Total - 55.29

Chances of becoming a victim in SF - 1 in 134

Raw Totals/Rates per 100k residents:

Murder - 88/11
Rape - 154/20
Robbery - 3,058/394
Assault - 2,482/320
Burglary - 6,199/798
Theft - 22,606/2,910
Motor Vehicle Theft - 8,105/1,044
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Sorry clown, there's not a single category that Dallas isn't worse than SF in. Nice try tho, liar. LMFAO!!!

Good to see you again! Nice job at digging old statistics to make your case. The rate of violent crime in Dallas is significantly lower than what you say:

Dallas' 2010 murder total is lowest since 1967 | Texas Cable News | TXCN.com | News for Texas | News: Local News | Crime (http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/crime/stories/010610dnmetdalmurders.8a1aa72d.html - broken link)

http://www.dallaspolice.net/content/...imeSummary.pdf

The numbers in SF will be a lot higher if SFPD did their job and took reports! As far as I know any kind of property crime is considered acceptable in SF. There is no enforcement of narcotics laws at all! When was the last time someone got arrested for car break-ins, theft etc? In TX, they mean business when it comes to law enforcement. The statistics simply reflects more aggressive law enforcement and a competent police force that actually do their job. Anyone who has been in Dallas or SF would know that streets in Dallas are almost magically safer than SF.

I am yet to meet a single person in SF who has never been a victim of property crime! So all the statistics are meaningless.

[Setsuko]

Originally Posted by Chevykid

U gotta understand that parts of Market are the TL and there is alot of low income housing on 6th and 8th street which are pretty notorious. As far as homicide in the Sunset and Richmond.....Im not saying it doesnt happen here or there but its really not comparable to about of homoicides commited in SE zip codes.

All along market, all the way into the beginning of the Castro you'll see some crazy stuff. Not just the part that crosses Taylor and the Tenderloin area. It's just about the entire stretch of Market thats crazy. It's not about it not happening as often in sunset or richmond as Hunters Point etc, it's the fact that random crime & murder happens all over the city.

[rah]

Originally Posted by jman650

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

This is what I get for opting to read this guy's BS. I only have myself to blame because I do already know better.

Here, allow me to SCHOOL you and clear up this set of your LIES:

Dallas
Annual crimes per 100k residents:

Violent - 13.61
Property - 81.05
Total - 94.66

Chances of becoming a victim in Dallas - 1 in 73

Raw Totals/Rates per 100k residents:

Murder - 248/21
Rape - 591/50
Robbery - 7,468/629
Assault - 7,866/662
Burglary - 23,184/1,951
Theft - 59,046/4,717
Motor Vehicle Theft - 15,924/13.40

San Francisco
Annual crimes per 100k residents:

Violent - 7.44
Property - 47.85
Total - 55.29

Chances of becoming a victim in SF - 1 in 134

Raw Totals/Rates per 100k residents:

Murder - 88/11
Rape - 154/20
Robbery - 3,058/394
Assault - 2,482/320
Burglary - 6,199/798
Theft - 22,606/2,910
Motor Vehicle Theft - 8,105/1,044

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Sorry clown, there's not a single category that Dallas isn't worse than SF in. Nice try tho, liar. LMFAO!!!

True that Dallas has had a higher crime rate than SF for most of the past few decades, which makes Andy's complaints kinda funny...but to be fair, you're using older stats from 2004 (back when Dallas's crime rate was still higher than SF's, and also when the SFPD was still underreporting SF's aggravated assault rate....which they didn't stop underreporting until 2010). For example, this is how Dallas and San Francisco compare in 2008 and 2009, with SF's revised assault stats:

2008 incidents per 100k residents:

Dallas:
murder - 13.3
rape - 39.1
robbery - 506.7
assault - 335.8

total = 894.9

San Francisco:
murder - 12.4
rape - 20.8
robbery - 514.7
assault - 476.2

total = 1,024.1

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2009 incidents per 100k residents:

Dallas:
murder - 12.9
rape - 37.6
robbery - 426.3
assault - 315.4

total = 792.2

San Francisco:
murder - 5.8
rape - 22.1
robbery - 422.7
assault - 433.5

total = 884.1

So as of late they have very similar violent crime rates, though SF has been a bit higher overall. You're a little more likely to be raped or murdered in Dallas, and a little more likely to be assaulted in SF, while robbery is basically equal for the two. Dallas seems to be quite a bit ahead in terms of property crime though, in all categories (property crime rates in the south and southwest seem to generally be quite a bit higher than elsewhere in the US actually).

[NorCal Dude]

I don't see how anyone could say with a straight face that they feel safer in Oakland . No way. SF is no San Jose in terms of safety but it is a good deal safer than Oakland.

[Nineties Flava]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dude

I don't see how anyone could say with a straight face that they feel safer in Oakland . No way. SF is no San Jose in terms of safety but it is a good deal safer than Oakland.

I don't see how anybody could say that they don't feel safer in the majority of Oakland than they do in SF. Are you actually trying to argue that there's anywhere in SF as safe as Montclair/Rockridge/Trestle Glen/Cleveland Heights/etc.? Murders happen in the upscale districts of SF annually... there hasn't been a single murder in Rockridge, Montclair, Cleveland Heights or Trestle Glen in at least 4 years.


The only comparably safe area in SF is the Outer Sunset, which is about as far away from SF proper as you can get.

[NorCal Dude]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

I don't see how anybody could say that they don't feel safer in the majority of Oakland than they do in SF. Are you actually trying to argue that there's anywhere in SF as safe as Montclair/Rockridge/Trestle Glen/Cleveland Heights/etc.? Murders happen in the upscale districts of SF annually... there hasn't been a single murder in Rockridge, Montclair, Cleveland Heights or Trestle Glen in at least 4 years.


The only comparably safe area in SF is the Outer Sunset, which is about as far away from SF proper as you can get.

I do agree Sf has a lot more random crime, which is part of the reason it is not a safe city. And I think the fact that a good deal of Oaklands upscale communties are far up the hills. Though many of those communities are decked out with home and car alarms.

Much of Oakland is unsafe. West Oakland is not very safe overall. And murders happen in downtown/chinatown. And east 14th from fruitvale all the way to the san leandro border is pretty shady. There have been years where Oakland and SF have roughly the same amount of murders but SF has almost twice the population of Oakland.

Sf is not ever on the 10 most dangerous cities list, where as Oakland is. And it's not for **** s and giggles.