Barry Bonds perjury trial beings in SF (Montclair: lawyer, home)

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Lying under oath is a very serious offense in that it directly undermines the entire justice system. While the subject matter (steroids) is not that important, the process is.

Like many people I don't like the fact that the Feds have spent as much money on this as they have. If I was on trial for this there would not be nearly as much money spent, because I don't have money to fight with. Bonds does. If we let him walk without a trial we are basically agreeing that rich people can do whatever they want because we cannot afford to bring them to justice. Not a message I'd feel good about.

[NorCal Dude]

And its not like barry was singled out. Many other pro players had to testify. Barry chose to break the law.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dude

In addition to not understanding baseball, you indicate a poor understanding of the concept of rule of law.

This has nothing to do with any prosecutors ego.

No, there's a whole lot of ego stroking going on here...

Mark McGwire stuttered his way through his testimony and claimed that, at a senate hearing about his steroid use, he “wasn’t there to talk about the past.”

Sammy Sosa also faced the same senate hearing, but despite being in the United State for some 25 years at that point and conducting countless interviews in very passable English, inexplicably forgot the entire language at that very moment in time.

Rafael Palmeiro took a harder line: “I have never used steroids, period.” Well, except he did and was subsequently suspended for doing so.

Andy Pettite admitted using HGH, David Ortiz, Jason Giambi and Alex Rodriguez tested positive for steroids, and all four, among others were warmly welcomed back into the game, because well, they are just so darn lovable; but not Bonds.

Barry Bonds, because of his standoffish attitude, and because he broke the all-time home run record is still being portrayed as the lone figure of what was wrong with baseball.

Flashing forward to today, MLB aside, the absurdity of trying to prove a perjury charge in federal court against a baseball player is a questionable usage of resources at best. The landscape of the country certainly doesn’t speak to an abundance of wealth and available assets; yet the prosecution continues. This case has been going on since 2003 with a handful of lawyers and paralegals spending their federally funded time trying to prove that a wealthy baseball player, with top notch attorneys, who likely won’t serve jail time even if convicted, lied about knowingly skating around a gray area in the rulebook.

What has come of 8 years of US Attorney Office work you ask? 11 people charged and a whopping 48 total months of prison time.

Barry Bonds Trial a Portrait of Absurdity | sidepoints.com

I dont feel any safer from the ills of the world-do you? A bunch of millionaire atheletes go to jail for a few months each. How heroic of our justice system.

A person doesnt have to have any knowledge of either baseball or the law to know that Barry Bonds is being bullied and singled out for stupid reason and its a colossal waste of time and money.

[NorCal Dude]

How is barry being bullied and singled out if 11 other people were charged? You don't understand the game of baseball and rules that govern it and you do not understand the law. Just let it go dude. Prosecutors are not doing this because of ego, they are doing this because it is their job. Not a hard concept to figure out.

We get it, you grew up in East Oakland and you think the criminal is the victim
We get it, you think rich people who are affiliated with the bay area should not have to answer for breaking the law.

And get informed, there is no such thing as the 'justice system'. That is just a rhetorical term. We have a *legal system*. Huge difference, though again, not a hard concept to figure out.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dude

Just let it go dude. Prosecutors are not doing this because of ego, they are doing this because it is their job.

Ha! Prosecutors can choose to pursue cases or not to and this is one case where the actual worth to our societal good takes a back seat takes a back seat to the career aspirations and egos of a small bunch of govt legal knobs.

Furthermore, I dont even need to tell you where to put your armchair leal knowledge.

But just in case you dont know, in the circular file.

We get it, you grew up in East Oakland and you think the criminal is the victim

No we get it, when people disagree with you, instead of agreeing to disagree you seek to make personal judgements on them. Great!

And by the way, there are dozens if not hundreds of online articles by people who are not Black nor from East Oakland who share my view on this. Who knew?

Furthermore all this apologizing for the government is getting tacky, not to mention more than a tad Uncle-Tomish.

[NorCal Dude]

Ha! Prosecutors can choose to pursue cases or not to and this is one case where the actual worth to our societal good takes a back seat takes a back seat to the career aspirations and egos of a small bunch of govt legal knobs.

Just because you think it is not worth our societal good does not mean it actually isn't. Which is why you are not sitting on the bar right now.

Furthermore, I dont even need to tell you where to put your armchair leal knowledge

LoL you can lash out if you do not understand the law. This is normal for most lay people. I have the advantage of having a sibling in law school currently and family and friends who sit on the bar here as well as other states. If you don't like the info being relayed to you, that is your issue.

But just in case you dont know, in the circular file.

exactly, run and hide from the facts, lol.

And by the way, there are dozens if not hundreds of online articles by people who are not Black nor from East Oakland who share my view on this. Who knew

I don't recall bringing race into the conversation...

Furthermore all this apologizing for the government is getting tacky

Though you might be an expert on all things tacky, no one is apologizing for the government. People just are not willing to make excuses for some one who committed a criminal act.

not to mention more than a tad Uncle-Tomish

So now your throwing around racial slurs. Cute. The true sign of some one who cant hold up an argument. I'm actually glad you said this, because now every time you accuse everyone of racism, I will use this quote to demonstrate your behavior you display when you disagree with some one.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dude

So now your throwing around racial slurs. Cute.

No, I didnt say you were an Uncle Tom, only that that sort of apologetic talk could be misconstrued as such. Which it could btw.

There is nothing worse than someone who loathes their own people and turns their back on them pointing the finger of scorn at them every chance he or she gets.

Actually yes there is something worse. A person who is not Black pretending to be Black as to appear as someone who is therefore qualified to make racist statements against their own people and then be given a pass because he claims to be one of them in the first place.

But of course, that doesnt refer to you does it?

Also, I notice that the SF Forum trolls love to use carefully crafted euphemisms to protect themselves in case they might be accused of blatant racism. Instead of saying Black people which is what they mean, they say Oaklanders or East Oakland.

Because that's what this all boils down to when it comes to all the Oakland and Bay Area hate we read here. Blacks and Liberal Politics.

[NorCal Dude]

No, I didnt say you were an Uncle Tom, only that that sort of apologetic talk could be misconstrued as such. Which it could btw.

LoL nothing more funny then some one trying to back track their racist remarks. You should be like Kramer from Sienfeld and just have some class and admit you made a boo-boo.

Uncle tom is a derogatory term used to imply that a black person is not authentically black. I can tolerate a black person calling me an uncle tom. I got no problem addressing that type of ignorance and intolerance from my own community, but I do have a problem when this crap comes from outsider.

The fact that you would attempt to insinuate that someone who does not share your opinion, is not authentically black or is some how deliberately catering to whites, when you are not black yourself shows your level of racism. Because I don't fit what ever stereotype 18montclair has, I am now or can be seen as a race traitor of sorts, is the essence of his argument. But here is the reality, you are not black, and will never, know what it is like to be black. Not for a day, not for a week, not for a moment, not even for a second. EVER. So what ever stereotype you have about what it is like to be or think like a black person, is just that, a stereotype. Just walk away from it son.

Uncle tom | Define Uncle tom at Dictionary.com

from source:

–nounDisparaging and Offensive . a black man considered by other blacks to be subservient to or to curry favor with whites.

There is nothing worse than someone who loathes their own people and turns their back on them pointing the finger of scorn at them every chance he or she gets.

Yea too bad I'm none of those. I am how ever the one person who stood up for low income housing in pleasanton. I am the one person who will always point out there are not a lot of black people in the bay and they are leaving when some one talks about "diversity". I am one of many black posters who pointed out that fake liberals who pretend not be racist, then wind up being racist is a turn off for many blacks in the bay. I am not how ever a poster who has ever made a specific character attribute towards one particular race of people. My history is all here to view and my profile is public, you wont find one post.

Actually yes there is something worse. A person who is not Black pretending to be Black as to appear as someone who is therefore qualified to make racist statements against their own people and then be given a pass because he claims to be one of them in the first place.

But of course, that doesnt refer to you does it?

No, it doesn't. Considering my one grandfather was the first black general to command a division, and other grand father was the first black to study architecture under the famous f.l. wright, and my great grand father successfully sued to allow blacks to use the Washington Dc Law library in the supreme court back in the depression I don't see how it could. The blackness simply can not hop out of me, ever.

Though I should be offended that in addition to resulting to slurs you are now trying to insinuate me not being black all together, I am not really. What you are doing now is a result of your guilt complex. Now that your own words have exposed you as a ingenious, you are trying to project and or manifest it unto others. Sad. Though I Do have to LoL at you using a conspiracy theory from banned member Uptown Oakland. The same member who threatened me and my wife in another forum to the point of me having to contact the authorities.

Also, I notice that the SF Forum trolls love to use carefully crafted euphemisms to protect themselves in case they might be accused of blatant racism. Instead of saying Black people which is what they mean, they say Oaklanders or East Oakland.

Some people might, but I don't. Especially in the context to which I referred to it. You just got but hurt because I pointed out you were trying to make a criminal and a fraud and a cheat look like a victim.

Because that's what this all boils down to when it comes to all the Oakland and Bay Area hate we read here. Blacks and Liberal Politics.

Except you're the one who brought race into the discussion, not me. That's what is so sad, I come to this thread expecting to see a legitimate discussion about bonds and perhaps the bay areas role of turning steroids mainstream in baseball and instead I get called or "implied" that I am a racial slur. Surely in 2011 we can have something a bit more intellectual then that. We have simply come too far, all of us.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dude

Except you're the one who brought race into the discussion, not me.

No, Im the one that once again revealed your hidden agenda and real objective.

Oakland=Black People.
East Oakland=really bad Black People who feel entitled to do bad things.

Yes yes, we know your M.O.

Its getting old.

[Parti Rhinocéros]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dude

I have the advantage of having a sibling in law school currently and family and friends who sit on the bar here as well as other states. If you don't like the info being relayed to you, that is your issue.

I have to admit that I laughed pretty hard at this. I've never heard anyone ride the coattails so hard that they claimed that because their sibling was in law school (is he/she a 1L? lol) that it gave them expert status on all things litigious.

My wife is a lawyer that teaches locally - believe me, not even your sibling would induce much respect since most law students are complete imbeciles. Admittedly, they have next to zero experience and most won't graduate. Worse, how do you know 18M doesn't have two siblings that are in law school? Wouldn't that make her twice as knowledgeable as you? Clearly, this is the type of logic one might acquire from having a sibling in law school. (OK, I'll stop picking on you)

As to the actual issue, like 18m, I don't think we should be spending federal tax dollars to go after retired baseball players. Why were they committing perjury in the first place? The government shouldn't have placed baseball players on the stand - guy, it's baseball. They cheated. And you know how much I love baseball (and I know how much you like it too) - but isn't it time to move on? Let's asterisk the records and even if we don't, baseball fans that care about records will know which ones they think are fraudulent and still love the game. As great as I think sports is, it's almost entirely a distraction from the actual important happenings in life.

And for someone that shreds liberal, financial vampire SF politics as much as you do, I'm surprised that you're all for spending our tax payer dollar on this type of bologna.