Is San Francisco apart of the High-Tech/Startup community?
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The "Silicon Valley" moniker is really outdated anyway. If we're talking about the manufacture of silicon crystals/wafers, I'm hard pressed to think of any company with a major production fab in the "Silicon Valley" anymore. The labor and real estate costs are too high for production fabs, so they've been shutting down and relocating gradually. For example, JDS Uniphase has a small R&D fab in San Jose and its HQ in Milpitas, but its primary production facility is in - gasp - Santa Rosa.
If you're a "siliconvalleyboss", then you already know that high-tech startups permeate the entire Bay area - including San Francisco proper, the Peninsula, and East Bay (even a few up North as well). There is no one particular spot that has a monopoly on it, and anyone who says there is is probably some secret Arkansas hillbilly who has never set foot in this region of the world.
S.F. tech jobs climb near level of dot-com peak - SFGate (http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-03-27/business/29193862_1_tech-jobs-tech-employment-tech-firms - broken link)
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The city had an estimated 32,180 tech jobs last year, compared with 34,116 in 2000, according to an analysis of state employment data by real estate consultant Jones Lang LaSalle. In 2004, the number of tech jobs had fallen to 18,210.
The percentage of nongovernment office workers in San Francisco employed in the tech sector is also higher: 17.4 percent in 2010, compared with 14.4 percent in 2000, according to the analysis.
Tech companies moving to SF? Don't make me laugh. No offense but since we're giving opinions, I'll give mine: Outside of tourism, SF is a ****hole. I go there only to show out-of-town visitors around, otherwise I avoid it like the plague. From the homeless drunks to the horrible taxi drivers, from the cost of parking to the torn-up streets, from the traffic to the anti-business atmosphere, there's no reason for a company to be there. If a company I worked for moved there, I'd quit. That city is a dump.
Is there a single tree in SF, outside of GG Park?
Is there a functioning cell in your brain or a single eye open on your face when you're in SF?
EXACTLY! What a ridiculous thing to invent distinctions about.
I know people who live in SF who would never work outside the city.
I know people who live in the valley who would never work in SF. They're all doing similar jobs, and some of them even work for the same company and in similar roles.
When the national press says "Silicon Valley", they generally also mean tech businesses that are located in SF. When locals say it, they are aware of the geographical difference and intra-industry variation between the two (big companies like Cisco can't find office space for 25000 people in SF city at any price..and some types of tech businesses require more space than others, so there are more hardware companies in the valley proper, etc).
And all this city/valley bashing crap is senseless. The bay area is lucky to have multiple centers of economy for its primary industry, and widely varied housing/neighborhood options. Glad to hear that you feel strongly about your choices, but that doesn't mean you've found the One True Way to live.
Precisely! +1
To any tard trying to argue to the contrary, SF & SV are both parts of the SF Bay Area. They are both separate parts of the same thing. In reference to the "SF Bay Area's Tech Community," which for the slow ones here means ANYTHING TECH-RELATED IN THE JOB MARKET IN THE 9-COUNTY SF BAY AREA, both SF and SV are a part of it. NO ONE has tried to claim SF is a part of Silicon Valley here that I have seen, so the morons calling people out for it should scale back their anti-SF hate for a second so they can begin to actually READ what they are responding negatively to.
And to clarify a few things that I'm not going to bother going back to respond to quote by quote:
-Wealthy parts of San Mateo & Santa Clara County (as well as the rest of the Bay Area) can be just as desirable if not more so than the premiere SF neighborhoods. (Eg: Hillsborough vs. St. Francis Wood.) If you are unaware of this, then don't even bother speaking on the subject b/c your ignorance benefits no one.
-SF has trees all over the City. If you have failed to notice huge swaths of park land like McClaren Park, the Presidio, Mt. Davidson, etc., as well as tree-lined streets like Sunset Blvd. or the tree-covered areas of the HP Hill or Forest Hill or St. Francis Wood or any other streets that may not be lush and green but STILL HAVE TREES, then you seriously need to get your eyes checked. My only guess is that your head must ACTUALLY be physically IN your a$$ if you're truthfully not seeing any trees outside of Golden Gate Park. I pity you.
-I see andy's just interested in insulting people rather than discussing things as his BS has now jumped to actually favoring SF in any way, shape, or form over the South Bay, so I hope everyone knows better than to pay him any mind. I've had him on ignore for well-over a year now (aka almost the entire time he's even been here spreading misinformation and flame-baiting), and if everyone else did the same I wouldn't even see any of his moronic nonsense in replies. So as always I encourage you all to ignore him b/c his only goal is to incite argument.
I guess SF's weather was decent enough for him today so he felt like attacking a different part of the Bay that actually has more of the traits of his beloved septic tank of Dallas (newer amenities, Walmart, chains, etc.) than SF does. Too bad for him SJ/SV is still 100x more desirable than the DFW Suckplex.
-For better or worse the Bay Area is the Bay Area, the South Bay IS NOT culturally different and it will always be a part of the Bay Area, and the imaginary split between supposed metros is contrived and does nothing to reflect the reality here. Both SF and SJ (as well as Oakland) can stand on their own, but when comparing either of them to another city or region conversation will eventually include their respective counterpart b/c that's just the way things are here in reality. That doesn't mean an SJ resident has to rely on SF or vice versa, but we all have the benefit of it if we choose to b/c we all are part of this single metropolitan area that is now called a CSA.
Live in SJ and think SF sucks? Tough! Its part of the area you live in and people are going to associate you with it regardless. Are you an SF resident that thinks SJ blows? Again, you're just going to have to deal with it. From either one of them and enjoy what either one has to offer? You're in luck, b/c they're both at your disposal. And the same goes for Oakland, PA, Richmond, EPA, Berkeley, etc...for better or worse this is all part of the same thing. So I don't get what some folks are thinking trying to say otherwise.
Some folks in Gilroy may not be familiar with Livermore or Napa just like some folks in the Bronx have never been to Staten Island, but that doesn't suddenly alter the reality of each geographical region. There's a reason that most of the public transit here is interactive with other cities' and counties' systems. There's a reason there is a "BART" and a "Caltrain" servicing the greater Bay Area (as best they can.) Same with media markets and many, many other things I won't delve into right now.
Some c**kwads like to make it as though Bay Area folks are gerrymandering boundaries to fit their needs when certain comparisons are drawn, but they fail to realize that there are limits to what people will claim as the Bay Area. No one extends the boundaries to the 209 or 916 or to Monterey and claims it as part of the Bay. Some incorrectly do this with Santa Cruz (which is Bay-adjacent but not actually part of the Bay), but other than that, as long as folks are only including the counties of SF, San Mateo, Marin, Alameda, Contra Costa, Santa Clara, Sonoma, Solano and Napa then they are accurately referring to the Bay Area. Anything beyond that is not technically the Bay, although some is worth mentioning at times b/c it is within our reach as well.
Morons who want to boost another place or part of the Bay by degrading/attempting to weaken the Bay Area by splitting it up aren't dealing with facts. And outsiders who don't get the geographical set up here need to simply listen to the locals and quit arguing with us. Tards that aren't even from here and keep finding the natives united in their disagreements with them need to just sthu and learn a thing or two rather than continuing to spit incorrect knowledge.
-And lastly, there is no such place as "San Fran," and unless you relish sounding like a wannabe hip, clueless d-bag (and send out an immediate red flag that you are an outsider), you need to stop calling it that. But if you like being the type of guy/girl who excessively uses the term for a place that singles you out for not knowing what's up, then go right ahead. Some of you think its a show of defiance to say, "in your face," to us surly natives that dislike it, but you're failing to realize that you're just making yourself sound like a choad when you say it and we're just trying to help you out by letting you know.
The "Silicon Valley" moniker is really outdated anyway. If we're talking about the manufacture of silicon crystals/wafers, I'm hard pressed to think of any company with a major production fab in the "Silicon Valley" anymore. The labor and real estate costs are too high for production fabs, so they've been shutting down and relocating gradually. For example, JDS Uniphase has a small R&D fab in San Jose and its HQ in Milpitas, but its primary production facility is in - gasp - Santa Rosa.
Most of this type of stuff moved to Taiwan over a decade ago.
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