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Old 11-13-2011, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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probably not. If you illegally occupy a park in dublin, pleasanton, or livermore, you go to santa rita jail. It's really that simple. If you want to come back and camp, they will show right back up and take you to jail. And yes they can do it all day everyday, its not like cops out there have much to do anyways.

Thats why these people choose places like oakland. Nevermind the financial bay area epicenter in sf, lets occupy struggling oakland-instead of wallstreet, where they are stretched thin as it is. People do this stuff in oakland becaue they know they can get away with so long as quan is at the helm.
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:18 AM
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Location: Ohio; originally Oakland, CA
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Second eviction notice...

Occupy Oakland gets second eviction notice (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/11/12/state/n120816S92.DTL - broken link)

Get your popcorn, kids, and get ready for the fireworks.
That's basically Quan on her knees begging them to leave "Pretty please" because she really doesn't want to have to break up a movement she fully supports. Any other mayor would've squashed this crap a long time ago....I don't expect a true resolution any time soon.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:25 AM
 
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I dont think they are necessarily focused on Oakland because its Oakland although Im sure some do feel that way,, but ever since October 25th, Occupy Oakland has been in the national and international news more than any other Occupy location except New York.

Those tear gas vids are incredible to watch-albeit disturbing, but were distributed all over the globe.And I think that sort of drama and ensuing attention attracted many outsiders to join in the Occupy Oakland campaign, like hoping they too would get teargassed(weird) so they could put in on youtube. That's a little cynical I know.

Furthermore, in the last 11 years, Uptown, JLS and the areas around Lake Merritt have attracted a HUGE segment of people who I think probably align themselves quite closely with the Occupy ideals and left of left political slant.

I for one agree with them 100% about the greed of banks and corporations getting out of control and the fact that our federal government is now aiding in their wrongdoing---but I disagree with the Occupy movement's tactics in Oakland as well as how they are not really focused on the task at hand-CHANGE.
Yep. Good observations. Like bees to honey ... fertile fields attract. And now we are seeing more and more incidents that will backlash, such as happened yesterday in S.F. with two cops reporting minor assaults. It will become near impossible to separate the factions and mercenaries out to disrupt and discredit.

That said, the foundational issues aren't going away ... they are getting worse ... the economy is hanging on but will not be recovering to its previous assumed path of never-ending opportunity and opulence achievable by the middle class as well as the uber-wealthy. So, the root frustrations will remain -- and worsen. This is not a short-term issue protest. This is a cultural shift starting. Now, will the result ultimately be a more responsible society in all respects -- or a neo-feudal corporate state world? Fascinating. Sorry it upsets everybody's apple carts. But it has been a long time developing and there's no putting it back in the bottle.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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Second eviction notice...

Occupy Oakland gets second eviction notice (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/11/12/state/n120816S92.DTL - broken link)

Get your popcorn, kids, and get ready for the fireworks.
I am slightly amused at the people posting here that wonder why Oakland "of all places" should be at the forefront of the protests ... well, as we wake up this morning, if you haven't noticed for the past week, protests in several other cities are as hot as Oakland: Portland, Atlanta, and Salt Lake City among them ... last night San Francisco got pretty hot, though there have also been snide remarks here about how sedate it has been over there, as well. Portland is gearing up for major confrontation that I am sure Quan is watching intensely for clues as to what to do next.

Quan's / Oakland police's recent "eviction notice" reads in part:
"Your activities are injurious to health, obstruct the free use of property, interfering with the comfortable enjoyment of (Frank Ogawa Plaza), ... "

To which the protestors are responding: The same can be said about the actions of the 1% -- by virtue of the severe limitations placed on our economy and lifestyles ...
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Old 11-13-2011, 02:09 PM
 
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Default New perspective from SF Gate / Chronicle

Interesting comments and surveys on effects to downtown Oakland:

"Jesse Smith, who is part of Occupy Oakland's Local Business Liaison committee, said many establishments reporting fewer customers "only experienced a detriment after the police action," referring to the Oct. 25 clash between protesters and police in riot gear. He said that shows that it is fear of the police, not the protesters, keeping people away."

"Informal Chronicle canvassing of 30 small restaurants and retailers near the camp found 16 reporting negative consequences from the encampment, three saying business had improved and the rest reporting no impact."

"Any business we're hurting, we'll put it on Facebook, Twitter and our website and ask people to please shop there," said Adam Jordan, an Occupy protester and a member of the Onyx Organizing Committee grassroots organization. "We get a lot of people at our events - we're urging them to shop at local businesses."

Read more: Occupy Oakland fallout may echo beyond downtown (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/12/BUBG1LTRMH.DTL#ixzz1dcMvuDFQ - broken link)
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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The problem is, Occupy Oakland at city hall, is bad PR for downtown Oakland. What about the people who would have come downtown who are saying no. Lease cancellations, event cancellations and hotel occupancy at the downtown Marriott are far more telling than cafes/restaurants that serve the downtown working crowd. What about the destination restaurants and the nightlife?
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:02 PM
 
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The problem is, Occupy Oakland at city hall, is bad PR for downtown Oakland. What about the people who would have come downtown who are saying no. Lease cancellations, event cancellations and hotel occupancy at the downtown Marriott are far more telling than cafes/restaurants that serve the downtown working crowd. What about the destination restaurants and the nightlife?
Now, compare anything and everything you just wrote with the loss of the American economy and middle class, and the rise of neo-feudal corporatism.
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Now, compare anything and everything you just wrote with the loss of the American economy and middle class, and the rise of neo-feudal corporatism.
I fail to see how camping is taking action on solving the problem.

Downtown Oakland is the 99% personified, as the 1% long ago left DTO to decline. 99% of the current development in DTO is created by the 99%. 99% moved downtown in new condos. The 99% opened Oaklandish, Oakllectiv, Awaken Cafe, Farley's, and even Subway. Whole Foods can afford to rebuild or pack up if they want. What about the basic small business in DTO. Not really? Then ends justify the means if the right targets are hurting. At the moment, that's not happening.
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:00 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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Now, compare anything and everything you just wrote with the loss of the American economy and middle class, and the rise of neo-feudal corporatism.

That doesn't change that the occupation is screwing over the downtown of a city chalk-full of 99%ers, chalk-full of them. Are all businesses the downfall of the American economy and middle class? You tell me.
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:23 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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That's basically Quan on her knees begging them to leave "Pretty please" because she really doesn't want to have to break up a movement she fully supports. Any other mayor would've squashed this crap a long time ago....I don't expect a true resolution any time soon.
True...apparently, Quan has adopted the strategy of just issuing eviction notices into perpetuity.
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