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Old 11-09-2011, 12:41 AM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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Which is a better city for a person of immigrant background to live in? Which city has better job opportunities and better women for LTRs? Which city would you rather live in?Unbiased opinions please.
If I may,

Honestly, we still do not know anything about you, from the type of job opportunities you seek to the type of women you prefer, or anything else that would make your life a better experience.

Spend time in both cities, is like the most apt answer I can give.
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Old 11-09-2011, 12:44 AM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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Homicide rate for L.A is 7.6 per 100,000. For Oakland it's 22 per 100,000.

I think the question is when someone from Oakland will say something intelligent.
Provide your source.
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Old 11-09-2011, 12:59 AM
 
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Provide your source.
FBI — Violent Crime
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:17 AM
 
Location: The Bay
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Homicide rate for L.A is 7.6 per 100,000. For Oakland it's 22 per 100,000.

I think the question is when someone from Oakland will say something intelligent.

More than that, the violent crime rate doesn't really mean much in the context of a megapolis like LA... you're kidding yourself if you think the worst in LA doesn't match (or in many cases exceed) the worst in Oakland. The worst parts of LA combined are considerably larger in terms of land mass and population than Oakland. This is not apples and apples here... anyone who's actually been to both would know this, which is why I don't believe for a second that you've actually been to Oakland.
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:24 AM
 
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More than that, the violent crime rate doesn't really mean much in the context of a megapolis like LA... you're kidding yourself if you think the worst in LA doesn't match (or in many cases exceed) the worst in Oakland. The worst parts of LA combined are considerably larger in terms of land mass and population than Oakland. This is not apples and apples here... anyone who's actually been to both would know this, which is why I don't believe for a second that you've actually been to Oakland.
You're right, Oakland has 1/10 the population and a crime rate that's double. Exactly what's your point?

Sounds Fantabulous!

You can equivocate all you want. "But, but, it's a large city, and everyone knows, the bigger the city, the lower the crime rate! Right? Right?

Sorry, but a citizen of Oakland is three times more likely to be a homicide victim than a citizen of L.A. You can try to equivocate your way out of that fact, but you're really just failing hard. This is a crime RATE, not an aggregate number.

The funny thing is, I could care less, that O4kl4nd guy just follows me around making lame insults, so I shot back - But now I have a bunch of Oakland apologists getting their feelings hurt.
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:34 AM
 
Location: The Bay
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You're right, Oakland has 1/10 the population and a crime rate that's double. Exactly what's your point?

Sounds Fantabulous!

You can equivocate all you want. "But, but, it's a large city, and everyone knows, the bigger the city, the lower the crime rate! Right? Right?

Sorry, but a citizen of Oakland is three times more likely to be a homicide victim than a citizen of L.A. You can try to equivocate your way out of that fact, but you're really just failing hard. This is a crime RATE, not an aggregate number.

The funny thing is, I could care less, that O4kl4nd guy just follows me around making lame insults, so I shot back - But now I have a bunch of Oakland apologists getting their feelings hurt.

You think that's equivocating? You must be one of the people who thinks New York City is actually safe. Rofl lets see how much that "lower murder rate" buys you in East Compton or East LA. Vallejo has a higher murder rate than LA but I'll be damned if there's anywhere in Vallejo half as terrible as Watts.
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:37 AM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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You're right, Oakland has 1/10 the population and a crime rate that's double. Exactly what's your point?

Sorry, but a citizen of Oakland is three times more likely to be a homicide victim than a citizen of L.A. You can try to equivocate your way out of that fact, but you're really just failing hard. This is a crime RATE, not an aggregate number.
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The FBI cautions readers against using their data to rank and or compare cities. To do so, represents an irresponsible misuse of this data, due to the fact there are many limitations of the data itself.

For example:

There is a greater difference of crime within cities than between them. Knowing the crime rate reveals next to nothing about the various factors affecting individual crime risk and makes no one any safer.

Thus, the "more likely to be killed in Oakland" idea is false, according to the data it was misperceived from

How's that for intelligence?
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:40 AM
 
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You think that's equivocating? You must be one of the people who thinks New York City is actually safe. Rofl lets see how much that "lower murder rate" buys you in East Compton or East LA. Vallejo has a higher murder rate than LA but I'll be damned if there's anywhere in Vallejo half as terrible as Watts.
Wow. That is equivocating big time. Oakland has a homicide rate that's triple L.A's. No getting around that. L.A has dangerous parts, Oakland has dangerous parts. L.A has larger dangerous parts because it's larger. That is equivocating.
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:43 AM
 
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The FBI cautions readers against using their data to rank and or compare cities. To do so, represents an irresponsible misuse of this data, due to the fact there are many limitations of the data itself.

For example:

There is a greater difference of crime within cities than between them. Knowing the crime rate reveals next to nothing about the various factors affecting individual crime risk and makes no one any safer.

How's that for intelligence?
There isn't a city in the world where crime is evenly distributed. Both cities have good neighborhoods and crappy neighborhoods - so all things being equal, Oaklandites still manage to kill each other off at 3x the rate (or compared to my city, 11x the rate).
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:51 AM
 
Location: The Bay
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Wow. That is equivocating big time. Oakland has a homicide rate that's triple L.A's. No getting around that. L.A has dangerous parts, Oakland has dangerous parts. L.A has larger dangerous parts because it's larger. That is equivocating.

And what is your point? You can get shot in the ghetto in LA just as easily as you can in the ghetto in Oakland. There's no getting around that the lower crime rate in LA does not make the ghettos there any better.
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