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Old 12-07-2011, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Up in the air
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For which, having spent time in both (especially bean town) .. think both are overrated too . Mixed use development/dense housing underscore the landscape.. my same commentary applies... I've found many times in life people don't embody cool so have to be around it to feel whole (absorb through osmosis) <- this is primarily the demand piece... The uncool people looking for cool at any price...

Some of the most expensive places in NY are the most boring for that reason ... I've found the real cool stuff to exist far from the concrete jungle of corporate buildings and manhattan condos. Some people need that 'image' ... others create it .. You can either create it through the boiler plate of struggling to afford things .. or do so w/ much less friction and more naturally .. Hollywood is much the way it is because of the boiler plate put under people's feet to survive... From it you get a lot of junk artificial b.s (do anything to get by) and sometimes you get some gems.... Too much boiler plate and you get a lot of cracked eggs (i.e - the plastic culture in hollywood ... the 'hustle' mentality found all over NY (which I personally hate) ... ) as its not natural and its created by the boiler plate conditions .. artificial competition .. Some people need a boiler plate to feel alive.. others don't...

Humans engage in a lot of group think .. Marketing works because people don't think very much ... and so, many things are overrated .. You just gotta be careful in these times as prices are 'adjusting' more towards reality.. w/ friction being so high, people are seeking less friction.. and so, as we progress out of this downturn, the landscape can look very different. My friend is into the hipster and art scene and gave me an enlightening tour on my last vacation out of CA ... I had pretty interesting convos with many long time native Californians who moved out .. who are creating blossoming scenes.. They say they love it.. the canvas was blank and cheap and allowed them to pursue dreams that they had been shut out of in CA ..

Meanwhile there are hordes of people looking at last year's advert breaking their necks to be where they heard the coolness is..Meanwhile diluting it and through gentrification driving it out .. It's all very interesting.

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So, basically what it comes down to is that no matter what you do and where you go it's always more of the same. No matter what you do you'll always be 'over it' and bored. You sound exactly like a few of the snobby hipster people I know . They're all so above it and know sooooo much more than anyone else, yet they're 'sheeple' just like everyone else.

I can find happiness nearly everywhere I go, there are always pros and cons to places, but people like you will never be satisfied and will never be happy.


Bummer
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:24 AM
 
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With an attitude like that....... meh

it sounds anything and everything.......is a, meh, to you.

meh, meh.....meh............................meh
It's sounds like I enjoy things around the world and don't have my panties in a bunch about a place that looks like a lot of places I've been albeit cheaper. With an attitude reflecting that there is no place like sanfrancisco (mixed development), many people sound like they've never left California.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:26 AM
 
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He's totally over California, but won't leave, and spends a lot of time here trying to convince other people why he's over it. But he won't leave. We have a lot of those here in the California fora.

Did I mention he won't leave?
I'm leaving in 2012. I think i say this just about every time you mention it.. I've had a hellavuh time here. Enjoyed every minute of it ... It has given me perspective and changed me and many ways and I intend to bring many things I picked up here w/ me.
*Cheers dude .. no need to bring the gtfo band wagon in because someone isn't throwing their panties on stage about your home state.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:28 AM
 
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San Francisco is <insert hater word> :yawn:
-> hater
Overused word people like to use just because someone else doesn't overrate things like them
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:28 AM
 
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yes, it is expensive. But being expensive has nothing to do with how great a city is.
That seems like a pretty extreme statement. A place is no good to you if you can't afford to live there. You just happen to be one of the people who can afford to live in SF. But if your life stituation changed, you'd see the importance of cost of living very quickly.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:31 AM
 
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So, basically what it comes down to is that no matter what you do and where you go it's always more of the same. No matter what you do you'll always be 'over it' and bored. You sound exactly like a few of the snobby hipster people I know . They're all so above it and know sooooo much more than anyone else, yet they're 'sheeple' just like everyone else.

I can find happiness nearly everywhere I go, there are always pros and cons to places, but people like you will never be satisfied and will never be happy.


Bummer
Don't feel bummed for me.. I've been having a blast and speak for yourself.
I don't recall overrating/over-hyping something to be associated w/ happiness. I've always been happy no matter where I go.

There's no reason to droll over things.. and I'm sorry if I've been to places and met people like there are in SF and am not a part of a group of people that can't think beyond the state's borders. Some of the best sushi I've ever had has been outside of California.. Best dive bars .. Best live music ..

Are California's great? You bet they are. I've had a blast. But no, there is no need to overhype things and act like many things that are present elsewhere only exist in SF. If that hurts your feelings, i'm sorry bro.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:33 AM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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He's totally over California, but won't leave, and spends a lot of time here trying to convince other people why he's over it. But he won't leave. We have a lot of those here in the California fora.

Did I mention he won't leave?
He claims to be a smart guy, and also states he is going to move to central Florida. I find that incongruous.

A note to YTF. You need to replace your good handling bike with a Harley, owning a good handling bike in Florida is like owning a sailboat in Antarctica.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:35 AM
 
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2010:

Fresno: 456.9
SF: 365.8
Ok, so the crime rate in Fresno isn't a lot higher, but it is somewhat higher.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:38 AM
 
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Without a car it's easy to get by in SF on about $35,000 a year if you're living with roommates, and unless you have student loans or pay too much in rent you should be able to save money each month. Problem is that rent is edging upwards while incomes are going nowhere.
A 35K income in SF can be frustrating, especially as you get into your 30s. Why? Because everyone else is spending money doing all those cool yuppie-ish activities that you won't be able to afford to do on that income. And having roommates gets old.

And, as you mention, you always feel that pressure of rising rents, in good times & bad (although that's true of Coastal CA in general). The rents always seem to increase faster than wages.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:42 AM
 
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He claims to be a smart guy, and also states he is going to move to central Florida. I find that incongruous.

A note to YTF. You need to replace your good handling bike with a Harley, owning a good handling bike in Florida is like owning a sailboat in Antarctica.
The crew has arrived ........
Common theme, many people can't think outside the box they've fashioned for themselves..

As for your motorcycle comment, I'll keep that in mind at my track days in Central Florida ...

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