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Old 12-11-2011, 04:43 PM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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But logic doesn't rule; the money isn't there. and pity Marin for dropping out "way back when" in the first place.
Pity Marin? LOL no thanks. I'm glad threes no BART in Marin. Marin would have been transformed into another sprawling east bay with BART feeding worker drones to the city. The high cost of housing and transportation is the only thing keeping Marin population growth in check. Lets just hope we can kill off SMART before its too late.
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Old 12-11-2011, 07:14 PM
 
Location: East Bay, CA
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By "worker drones", do you mean poor people and minorities? Because that was pretty much the argument they used back then, and the same argument many people used along the 680 corridor in wealthy enclaves like Danville, Blackhawk, and Alamo...
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Old 12-11-2011, 08:11 PM
 
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By "worker drones", do you mean poor people and minorities?
Nope but if thats how you want to define it, I can't stop you. Theres plenty of urban sprawl in the rest of the Bay Area already. If the high cost of living and high cost of transportation helps preserve open space in Marin so be it.



How quickly people forget.
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Old 12-11-2011, 08:23 PM
 
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It seems like a redundant idea when Caltrain already goes there. The Bay area and Silicon Valley must be swimming in money. Regarding Marin County, somewhere I read they might build a rail line that would make it to the county line, but you'd have to take a bus to San Francisco! Granted, Marin is considered very well-off, but even affluent residents might balk at such a project.
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Old 12-12-2011, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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[quote=evergraystate;22078993]If the high cost of living and high cost of transportation helps preserve open space in Marin so be it.
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Elitism isn't terribly en vogue these days. Except maybe for the 1% who don't know or care what's beyond their shiny gates.
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Old 12-12-2011, 02:46 AM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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Elitism isn't terribly en vogue these days. Except maybe for the 1% who don't know or care what's beyond their shiny gates.
So what's your excuse?
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:31 AM
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Location: Oakland
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The parking in S.F does suck... but is this really going to be more convenient than driving up 280?
The whole point of public transportation is that you don't need to use a car. So yes, it's more convenient...unless you really want to drive, and get their quicker. Than it's not more convenient.
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Pity Marin? LOL no thanks. I'm glad threes no BART in Marin. Marin would have been transformed into another sprawling east bay with BART feeding worker drones to the city. The high cost of housing and transportation is the only thing keeping Marin population growth in check. Lets just hope we can kill off SMART before its too late.
hey, ever, i'm totally on your side in regards to Marin being turned into a sprawl along the line of east bay. i hate sprawl, too.

but I'm not so sure it would have happened. First of all, if it were to happen, it could have done so without BART. THe GG and the Bay Bridge both connect their regions (Marin and East Bay respectively). and East Bay had sprawl even before BART.

So there must be something different about those two regions that makes sprawl likley in one and less likely in the other.

I'll peg elevation as being that factor. East Bay has long stretches of relatively flat land along the bay; Marin has precious little. And when East Bay rises up to the Berkeley Hills, it is far less roughed than the terraine you find in Marin.

Marin has one route...101....running north and south, connected the county to itself and to SF. An the lack of BART should have made another route more likely, not less.....and yet it never happened.

Marin's landscape just didn't make that type of development possible. That's why by far the biggest swath of Bay Area livable real estate starts in SF and travels counterclockwise down the peninsula to San Jose and then northward on the East Bay side to somewhere north of Berkeley.

Marin is no where to be found.

And Marin, if it had joined BART, would be benefitinng from a less crowded 101 than the one we see today.
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Old 12-12-2011, 01:57 PM
 
Location: In them thar hills
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It seems like a redundant idea when Caltrain already goes there.
This is the current Richmond - Fremont line, not one from SF to Millbrae. Ever sat in grid lock on 880 or 680 much?
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Old 12-12-2011, 05:45 PM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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The whole point of public transportation is that you don't need to use a car. So yes, it's more convenient...unless you really want to drive, and get their quicker. Than it's not more convenient.
Oh is that why every bart station has a giant parking lot next to it?
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