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Old 12-28-2011, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Exactly.

Why in the WORLD would the San Francisco Giants want to give up their Gold Mine(Santa Clara County)????

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The feeling in the Giants' camp is that the A's think if they just keep saying they're optimistic about a new stadium, it will happen.

"I think it's wishful thinking," said Peter Magowan, the Giants' former managing general partner. "I don't think they'll get anywhere with it. I'd be surprised if a different result were to come about."

Major League Baseball is apparently in no hurry to alter the Bay Area's baseball landscape, either. According to multiple sources, including A's owner Lew Wolff, the A's stadium issue is not on the agenda for the owners meetings in Scottsdale, Ariz., in two weeks.

"That's my understanding," Wolff said.

Officials from both the A's and Giants are prohibited by MLB Commissioner Bud Selig from discussing the A's stadium situation, but Magowan, who still owns a small stake in the Giants, said that he is entirely up to date on the issue and that he does not believe that the A's will be allowed to move to San Jose...

Giants fight A's move to San Jose
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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Exactly.

Why in the WORLD would the San Francisco Giants want to give up their Gold Mine(Santa Clara County)????
Only if the owners don't think Wolff will pony up enough money to the Giants will the move die.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:10 PM
 
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Peter Angelos: Expos NOT moving to DC

Until MLB and the Orioles cut a financial deal, that is.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:30 PM
 
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Peter Angelos: Expos NOT moving to DC

Until MLB and the Orioles cut a financial deal, that is.
Not the same thing.

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The problem is that the A’s/Giants situation and the Baltimore/Washington franchise situation are quite different from each other.

MLB, which was pushing collectively to get into D.C., placated Angelos. The A’s are standing alone. For the relocation scenario to work, the A’s need a majority vote by the other owners.

That’s not in the Giants interests. If they hold out, the A’s may move out of the Bay Area all together and the Giants will reap a massive windfall.

However, even were MLB pushing for the A’s to move to San Jose but Magowan wasn’t budging, the resulting scenario would be much the same as with Angelos and Washington. Magowan and the Giants would have the territories defined in MLB’s charter to stand upon in a court of law, not just a television market. The difference is huge—especially in the eyes of the Lords of Baseball.

In the end, Selig put the kibosh on comparing the Washington/Baltimore situation with the San Jose/Giants one. "San Jose is part of the San Francisco Giants territory," Selig said. "The clubs' territories really have always been treated with great respect. And so when a team is sold and a territory exists near theirs, we don't change that. This is a completely different thing, so it is not a proper analogy, frankly."

Expos Relocation: No A's to San Jose
The Giants perfect scenario would be for the As to leave the Bay Area and they would claim the 2.6 Million people in the East Bay as their territory as well.

And their steadfast refusal to budge on the territorial rights issue is hopefully giving Oakland time to convince the 'Lords of Baseball' mentioned in the above quote, that the As owners have NOT given Oakland a fair shake and there are indeed potentially lucrative, viable stadium opportunities in Oakland.

Fingers crossed.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:40 PM
 
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Actually it's quite similar. The Orioles had a territorial claim also. I don't think the outcome will be the same, unfortunately for Bay Area A's fans.

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Not the same thing.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:48 PM
 
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Actually it's quite similar. The Orioles had a territorial claim also. I don't think the outcome will be the same, unfortunately for Bay Area A's fans.
Well, we'll just have to wait and see how this all unfolds.
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Old 12-29-2011, 04:43 AM
 
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Jack London Square! Let's go!
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:23 AM
 
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Someone should inform Magowan of something called the anti-trust exemption which turns his theoretical "territory rights" to pixie dust. The ironic thing is the supposed rights to the South Bay were handed to the Giants' organization for free by the late Walter Haas, so the Giants could pursue a San Jose ballpark and avoid a move to Florida. With the shoe on the other foot, the Giants stick to greed and pettiness...true to form.

I believe MLB owners would much rather have the A's in San Jose than sucking up revenue sharing money while rotting at the Coliseum. And as beautiful a thought of a downtown Oakland ballpark may be, Oakland politicians dropped that ball years ago (no pun intended) and there's no sign they've gotten their act together, unlike Chuck Reed.
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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Someone should inform Magowan of something called the anti-trust exemption which turns his theoretical "territory rights" to pixie dust. The ironic thing is the supposed rights to the South Bay were handed to the Giants' organization for free by the late Walter Haas, so the Giants could pursue a San Jose ballpark and avoid a move to Florida. With the shoe on the other foot, the Giants stick to greed and pettiness...true to form.
Anything to buy Oakland time.
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:33 AM
 
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Anything to buy Oakland time.
Oakland's had time....unfortunately they haven't had city leaders who were competent or interested, or at least the right combination of the two qualities at any given time.
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