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Old 01-09-2012, 11:01 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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Yup it is only cool when richer, whiter people like something. Otherwise it doesn't count.

Read: Detroit. How often do you hear about the awesome middle eastern food in Detroit.....

Exactly. How often do you hear about the equally deep if not deeper latino cuisine offerings of a neighborhood like East Redwood City/North Fair Oaks as opposed to the Mission? Many latinos around the Bay I know would agree with me that the food - particularly Mexican food - is generally better in the peninsula and the East Bay than in SF. However, if I were to bring up said neighborhood(s) in a conversation with people who are mainly familiar with the Mission as far as Bay Area latino offerings go (which I've done before), they'd likely say "oh, that's nice" it instead of displaying real interest. Some of it is Bay Area provincialism, but another part of it is that it's not on the "cool radar" so therefore it might as well not exist as far as a lot of people around the Bay Area are concerned. Either that, or they'll deride Middlefield Rd. as a "ghetto" as if there's no ghetto element in the Mission, which in their world is apparently a "necessary evil to enjoy the cool aspects of the neighborhood". Who refers to the people living there as a "necessary evil"? A lot of people are perfectly content to live somewhere like the Mission on the condition that they can be apart from the greater Mission community (barring the restaurants). How many of the newer subset of Mission residents are displaying interest in helping their neighbor latino community curb gang violence, and work to provide opportunity for all kids who grow up in the Mission, when they often have the resources to have a real impact and improve the neighborhood for everybody in it? Many just brush the problems of the neighborhood off and say "As long as it doesn't affect me why should I care". American individualism at it's finest...
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Old 01-09-2012, 11:03 PM
 
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A lot of people in Oakland cannot afford to eat at Baywolf and Hibiscus and etc. every day, so the mid-range offerings and street fare are what people tend to look at... the quality, quantity and diversity of these offerings far outstrips a lot of larger and smaller cities around the country. And yet, it is generally San Francisco that is recognized for its diversity of options and the East Bay remains ignored for everything that's not in the trendy neighborhoods in Oakland and some parts of Berkeley.
While you may have a point, it's a different bone to pick - the article in question was citing the trendy restaurants, not mid-range fare. Now that these restaurants are getting some attention, it won't be long before the other places are as well. And then we'll have to wait in line at our favorite Ethiopian/Korean/Mexican/etc. places
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Old 01-10-2012, 03:35 AM
 
Location: South Korea
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To put it another way, why is it that it takes neighborhoods and cities getting "discovered" by yuppies for the rest of America to catch on? It's as if the mainstream media only recognizes the value of something when a "chosen" demographic in America recognizes it. Otherwise, it's ignored and often belittled, particularly if its where a lot of minorities live.
Because in Oakland and generally in the Bay Area, neighborhoods are seen as either trendy, ghetto, or old/established/boring. You're not going to read about new restaurants in West Portal or Glen Park as much as you will in North Beach or the Mission, even though WP and GP have some cool new places.
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Old 01-10-2012, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Dimond, Oakland, CA
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Note, the article was only a paragraph long. Perhaps they could (should) have given a sentence to Oakland's diversity and the associated menus, cultural happenings, neighborhood distinction, etc.; however, for a visitor, perhaps that isn't the focus. I am not sure what more could be expected in such a short snippet? Look at some of the other places/pieces and tell me they weren't short changed... they were... because there is only a paragraph worth of a description.
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Old 01-10-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: The Bay
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Note, the article was only a paragraph long. Perhaps they could (should) have given a sentence to Oakland's diversity and the associated menus, cultural happenings, neighborhood distinction, etc.; however, for a visitor, perhaps that isn't the focus. I am not sure what more could be expected in such a short snippet? Look at some of the other places/pieces and tell me they weren't short changed... they were... because there is only a paragraph worth of a description.

I was speaking on Oakland's recent media attention for its art and culinary scenes in general.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Just remembered something about the Chronicle and their disdain for Oakland.

Michael Bauer had the audacity to remove Commis from his annual Top 100 restaurants in the Bay Area list shortly after he learned that Commis received a Michelin star.

Hilarious. And oh so petty.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Why would anyone in the Bay Area care about what the New York Times has to say?
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Old 01-10-2012, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Why would anyone in the Bay Area care about what the New York Times has to say?
The NY Times has a Bay Area edition so apparently a lot of people care what they have to say.
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Old 01-10-2012, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Note, the article was only a paragraph long. Perhaps they could (should) have given a sentence to Oakland's diversity and the associated menus, cultural happenings, neighborhood distinction, etc.; however, for a visitor, perhaps that isn't the focus. I am not sure what more could be expected in such a short snippet? Look at some of the other places/pieces and tell me they weren't short changed... they were... because there is only a paragraph worth of a description.
NYT's previous Oakland coverage is much the same. They've had quite a few positive travel articles over the past 2 years. Almost all focusing on Uptown or Temescal. There was a guest appearance of Piedmont Ave or Rockridge in one of those article, but that's pretty rare.
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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The NY Times has a Bay Area edition so apparently a lot of people care what they have to say.
Hmm...does New York have a San Francisco Chronicle NYC edition?
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