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Old 01-11-2012, 01:55 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Default Oakland Raiders are moving out of Oakland and the A's are moving out also

It is very sad news for the city of Oakland. Being an Oakland native for a very long time, I know that Oakland has a bad reputation in the Bay Area but the thing that made Oakland unique from other cities was its sport teams, the Oakland Raiders and the Oakland A's. No other Bay Area city had any sport teams except San Francisco. Sadly, the updated news reports as of today is that the A's will be out of Oakland in the next couple of years and the new owner of the Oakland Raiders is looking for a new stadium as of today. The coliseum area in Oakland will be a ghost town soon with a big vacant football stadium. Here are the updated reports:

Oakland Raiders story as of 1/3/12
ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis said it's imperative his team get a new stadium and he has had discussions with groups in Los Angeles about returning the franchise to Southern California. "The timetable is yesterday. So that's where it is. We've got to get a stadium. We've got to get that done," Davis said Tuesday in his first public comments since taking over the organization in October following the death of his father, Al. "It's such a competitive business. It really is competitive. We can't compete for a lot of the players that other teams can, at times." Davis made his comments at a news conference announcing the hiring of Reggie McKenzie as the team's new general manager and the firing of coach Hue Jackson. Davis said that with a general manager now in place to run the football side of the organization, he can focus even more on getting the Raiders out of the outdated Oakland Coliseum. The Raiders lack many of the modern amenities that are in some of the league's newer stadiums that generate more revenues for other teams. Davis said CEO Amy Trask has talked with officials in Oakland about a new stadium there and with the San Francisco 49ers about possibly sharing a stadium in Santa Clara. Davis said he has talked to groups in Los Angeles but hasn't received an offer he likes. The Raiders played in Los Angeles from 1982-94. "We're trying to get something done up here but if we can't, we've got to get something done somewhere because we need to be able to compete," he said. "And that's where it's at." Davis also said he has no intention of selling the team he took over after his father died Oct. 8 of heart failure. Davis took over as managing general partner when his father died and owns the majority of the team with his mother, Carole. "This is my life," he said. "I've been with the Raiders for 48 years. And my whole thing is to continue the legacy that my father built here and I've got one of the largest extended families in the world. And that's what all these former players and everybody else that's been in this organization and they mean a lot to me and this organization represents them as well as they represent us and that's where it's going to stay."




Oakland A's story as of 12/29/11
Bob Nightengale of USA Today is reporting that Major League Baseball will give the Oakland A's permission to move to San Jose. This would mark just the second franchise to move in baseball since 1972. Details still need to be worked out, including the the construction of a new stadium. However, the city of San Jose has offered to sell the needed land to the A's at a reduced rate. The other big issue is the San Francisco Giants. Even though the A's would be moving farther away from the Giants, San Jose is actually considered part of the Giants territorial rights. And the Giants have a lot of money invested in the San Jose Giants, their single-A affiliate. As a result, the A's will have to negotiate a settlement with the Giants for encroaching on their territory. If the A's do move, something that appears inevitable at this point, they would be just the second team to move since the Washington Senators became the Texas Rangers in 1972. The Montreal Expos were the other, becoming the Washington Nationals in 2005.

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Old 01-11-2012, 02:00 AM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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Good.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:02 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Good.
Good, that is just your opinion. The A's and the Raiders made Oakland great and far superior than any other Bay Area city!
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Ohio; originally Oakland, CA
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Al Davis conned Alameda County to renovate the Coliseum for the Raiders, sued the county after moving there, still has Alameda County taxpayers subsidizing unsold Raider tickets, ruined the venue for baseball (and soured the A's on ever working with Oakland on remaining in the city)...now less than 20 years later it's completely unfit for football? Tell me again why the Raiders have been so great for Oakland and Alameda County.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:12 AM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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Good, that is just your opinion. The A's and the Raiders made Oakland great and far superior than any other Bay Area city!
If you think a couple of professional sports teams make a city 'superior' to its neighbors, you need to get your head checked.

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Old 01-11-2012, 02:25 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Al Davis conned Alameda County to renovate the Coliseum for the Raiders, sued the county after moving there, still has Alameda County taxpayers subsidizing unsold Raider tickets, ruined the venue for baseball (and soured the A's on ever working with Oakland on remaining in the city)...now less than 20 years later it's completely unfit for football? Tell me again why the Raiders have been so great for Oakland and Alameda County.
Well, Oakland always had a bad reputation as being a city to be avoided because some of the areas were kind of dangerous to go into. But the city has a football team and a baseball team that is known nationwide. Oakland kind of reminds me of Detroit. Yes, it is a big city with some problems and yes, it does have a football and baseball team. That makes Oakland great. The baseball and football team put Oakland on the US map basically. I am kind of sad that the image of Oakland will be gone when the A's and Raiders move out and the coliseum area will turn into a ghost town.

The city of Oakland does not have any money or resources to build a football or baseball stadium so that is out of the picture and probably nobody is interested in keeping the teams here.
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Old 01-11-2012, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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Good.
So eager to post negative comments on all things related Oakland but really have provided no reason to? How strange.

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The city of Oakland does not have any money or resources to build a football or baseball stadium
So everytime a wealthy corporation wants something, taxpayers are supposed to foot the bill? Is that how it works now? I think NOT.

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so that is out of the picture and probably nobody is interested in keeping the teams here.
1. That story about the A's being 'granted permission' to move anywhere has been resoundly debunked as pure speculation-you can't find a single pro-move the team to San Jose article that has anything but gossip probably being circulated by the A's themselves in order to create buzz(hollow buzz) cause there is no official word yet. MLB has given no such indication and even Lew Wolff(A's owner) has admitted that the item of moving the Oakland A's is not even on the agenda for this week's owners meeting being held in Arizona. In other words, MLB is in no hurry which still leaves Oakland a glimmer of hope.

2. A recent article stated that Jean Quan has been wooing Chinese Investors to finance a new baseball stadium in Oakland. The question of the A's moving is nowhere near resolved.

3. Mark Davis is simply doing what all other owners do when they want to hold cities and fans hostage to their greedy whims. I suspect when the dust clears the Oakland Raiders will be sharing a stadium with the San Francisco 49ers in Santa Clara just as the NY Jets and NY Giants share a stadium--this is the well known desire of the NFL by the way.
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Old 01-11-2012, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Alemeda County Stadium is the oldest in the NFL next oldest is candlestick. The NFL isn't going to put up without luxury sky boxes so the 1% don't have to sit with real people.
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Old 01-11-2012, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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Alemeda County Stadium is the oldest in the NFL next oldest is candlestick. The NFL isn't going to put up without luxury sky boxes so the 1% don't have to sit with real people.
You are probably right on the money.

Attendance is certainly not an issue cause the Raiders filled the coliseum to 94% capacity this season.

I have become very warm to the idea of the 49ers and Raiders sharing a stadium-that makes the most sense financially.

Jean Quan recently proposed a concept called 'Coliseum City' which would provide new venues for the Raiders, A's and the Warriors.

I would like to see the financials for that project.
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Old 01-11-2012, 09:38 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Attendance is certainly not an issue cause the Raiders filled the coliseum to 94% capacity this season.
Attendance is most definitely an issue. It was 94% (22nd in the league) in a year in which they started very strong and still were in the playoff hunt until the very last week of the regular season. In the prior two seasons they were dead last in the NFL in attendance as a % of capacity, and in 2008 they were 28th out of 32. Not to mention, 94% at the Coliseum is only an average of 59k fans per game. By comparison, Kansas City was at 94% of capacity this year too, but that averaged out to 72k fans per game, a full 13k more per game.

They had below average attendance in a year they were competitive, and horrible attendance in years they are not. Makes it tough to compete when the fans only show up when they win.

Source: 2011 NFL Football Attendance - National Football League - ESPN
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