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Old 02-03-2012, 02:09 PM
 
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And its ironic cause Malloric points to areas of Oakland that are demographically similar to SF as evidence that SF is more integrated than Oakland.

LOL.
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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And its ironic cause Malloric points to areas of Oakland that are demographically similar to SF as evidence that SF is more integrated than Oakland.

LOL.
It makes perfect sense.
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:25 PM
 
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And its ironic cause Malloric points to areas of Oakland that are demographically similar to SF as evidence that SF is more integrated than Oakland.

LOL.
Fact: Oakland is not demographically similar to San Francisco.
Fact: Oakland is not a racially as integrated to San Francisco.

Anything other "points" I've mad that you'd, like to invent while you're at it while you're at it?
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Okay, so what neighborhood(s) in SF cause you to believe that San Francisco is more socio-economically integrated than Oakland?

It shouldnt take 4 requests to get an answer.

Furthermore, it doesnt seem like you have much knowledge of Oakland beyond some parts of North Oakland.


No, its not like that everywhere. Most rich areas in the United States are predominantly White.
Than what Oakland neighborhoods? Neighborhoods generally aren't as socioeconomically integrated. Should seem obvious. People segregate by socioeconomic status everywhere, not just in Oakland.
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:29 PM
 
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There aren't just "poor" and "rich" areas in Oakland. I live in one that's basically in the middle. In my building we have everyone from a manager at CVS to students, to tech workers to to teachers to retired people to nurses to accountants. All in the same building, and lots of different ethnicities.

Pretty diverse socioeconomically. If I travel 5 blocks in either direction, the income and class level can shift a bit but it is fairly mixed.

Most people categorize Oakland as ritzy or poor, but there is a big middle class and people of different classed interact in the commercial areas. There aren't that many areas that are transitioning, as they have been solidly middle and have continued to be middle class. I wouldn't call SF a pancea of socioeconomic diversity.
I wouldn't call SF that either. It's just more socioeconomically integrated than Oakland despite being less diverse. Diverse does not equal integrated. New York City has more socioeconomic diversity than either San Francisco or Oakland and is FAR more segregated than either.
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Fact: Oakland is not a racially as integrated to San Francisco.
False: Oakland is far more racially integrated than SF. By leads and bounds. You only need to go out in pretty much any neighborhood to see that: in the grocery store, the drug store or Starbucks.

SF is much less racially integrated than Oakland.
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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So how about that taco truck shootout? Good stuff.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/san-f...-shootout.html
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:52 PM
 
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94114 is Castro, Noe Valley, Half of Mission Dolores -- basically, it's the yuppie part that's gentrifying Mission Dolores.
94618 is Rockridge, Shafter, and bits of Fairview. It's also yuppie. For the race obsessed, it's 75+% white in a city that is 35% white. Were 94114 be as proportionally "over white" as 94618 it would have to be over 100% white. Rockridge area has about 2x the black population as 94114 despite Oakland having 4.5x as many black residents as San Francisco. In other words, while Oakland is a more racially diverse city just comparing Rockridge area to Castro/Noe Valley area it would seem Oakland's diverse population is more segregated within the city. Not enough points data points by far mind you.

Perhaps not surprisingly, the Castro/Noe Valley area has 6.3% of the population below the poverty line vs the 4.4% in Rockridge area, 34% private high school in Castro/Noe Valley vs 73% in Rockridge, more singles and a younger population in general in Castro.
So you agree that the Mission is split between a segregated white half and a somewhat more integrated hispanic half. And again, "Mission Dolores" is a frigging church. And nobody here uses the neighborhood name "Shafter" unless you base everything you know about Oakland on what you read on the internet and you saw it on Mapquest. That's the only place I've seen Lower Rockridge (usually just called Rockridge) referred to as "Shafter."
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:52 PM
 
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So how about that taco truck shootout? Good stuff.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/san-f...-shootout.html
The "Good" is this perpetrators were quickly apprehended...
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Old 02-03-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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Fact: Oakland is not demographically similar to San Francisco.
Thank God. We dont need two of either.

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Fact: Oakland is not a racially as integrated to San Francisco.
The fact is you have havent proven this at all.

First you compare an upscale Oakland neighborhood(Rockridge) to a working class SF neighborhood(Mission Dolores) as if its some gotcha comparison. And that is a fail of epic proportions cause Rockridge is similar to the Marina District, racially and as far as income.

Then after I post 18 contiguous neighborhoods in Oakland that are incredibly integrated(and most of those areas run the gamut as far as socio-economic classes), you decide to stop talking about specific areas and go into vague city-wide descriptions, not really pin-pointing any neighborhood(s) that Oakland can't match.


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Anything other "points" I've mad that you'd, like to invent while you're at it while you're at it?
Your the one who claimed that SF is more integrated in the first place.

Of all the topics to bring up, you picked Oakland's strongest. LOL.
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