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But I have "heard" that many of the women are below average in the looks department, but believe they're 9s or 10s. Same with the men.
There's no doubt about this any more. I've met several transplants recently and they all have similar complaints about the city. SF has the worst looking talent of any major city in the U.S.
There aren't any enough cute, preppy, white women around so I'll have to make do with the skanks.
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Originally Posted by gone down south
SF isn't a 'clubbing' city, other than some crappy hiphoppy places which you obviously found.
Did you do no research at all before you moved here????
I wanted the job, everything else was secondary.
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No offense, but as Gentoo said, this makes absolutely no sense. Within 30-45 minutes of San Francisco you have:
- Mt. Tam
- Mt. Diablo
- Skyline/John Muir trail
- a number of hiking/climbing areas just west of Los Altos
- Muir Woods/Point Reyes
I'm sure I'm missing a few, and if you expand to a 1-2 hour drive, there are many more. I invite you to consult a topographical map of Northern California.
Also, NYCtoSF is definitely having fun with everyone on the board with trolling (I've seen pre- and post-edit versions of his posts), but people's responses have cracked me up a couple times so I can't say it bothers me too much
If you're trying to imply that I don't actually live in SF or something then you're wrong. This board has been like a personal blog for my thoughts on moving here from SF. It's all true.
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Are you sure???
It seems like EVERY post is a bash on SF and how it should be more like NYC.
No, it should NOT. NYC should not be the 'model' for ANY city in this country, because it's very BIASED AND CLASSIST. You can't rent an apartment in Manhattan without providing a guarantor who can provide financial documentation where they will be able to not only pay your rent, but their personal expenses as well.
It doesn't matter if you're making $100,000 a year and can comfortably pay your rent on your own like in other major cities either. In addition, you also have to pay the apartment realtor 12% (I think) of the YEARLY rent as his "fee" for getting you the apartment. The only way out of getting a guarantor is if you can pay the entire lease amount. If so, then you don't need a guarantor.
The apartments are super small for what is being requested, the bedrooms can barely fit a bed and a dresser inside of it, there is no kitchen space and the bathrooms are very small. The outerboroughs have much more space, but transplants don't want to live in them.
But YET, people come in here talking about SF is not NYC. Thank goodness for that or you would not be able to rent or find a place to live.
Mind you, I've never been to SF or the Bay period, but I'm guessing it's the nerdy transplants who are trying to "impress" that have a problem with SF not being 'trendy' enough. You've masked your low self-esteem with fake materialism and want to show the world how much you've 'improved' yourself.
You're still the socially awkward nerd who couldn't get a date in high school you always were. No amount of beautiful clothes, jewelry and money can hide it. You "think" it can, but it doesn't.
Go back to your small town or country where all of that nonsense means something to others of similar backgrounds.
I don't know if that last bit was directed at me, but I don't appreciate the hostility either way.
No, it should NOT. NYC should not be the 'model' for ANY city in this country, because it's very BIASED AND CLASSIST.
No, it should NOT... every day I'm checking the news and go "whoa, they still haven't blown up NYC?? no terrorists, no own misplaced and outpriced locals, no Occupy?"
There are a lot of people who like to mess with other people on message boards, or like to complain and are taking advantage of internet anonymity. 99% of people I meet in real life like San Francisco, especially recent transplants, and I've never heard the NYC comparison being made by anyone other than bored people on the internet.
Anyone who moves to a mid-sized city of 750,000 and expects it to be like Manhattan is not going to have the common sense to listen to a well-reasoned argument, anyway.
The problem is we're paying Manhattan prices and not even getting a tenth of the services.
You haven't heard this comparison made much before because there haven't been that many transplants from the East Coast moving here until a year or two ago. Trust me, almost every single person outside of work that I've socialized with is a transplant and they all have similar complaints.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. You nailed it about SF and said it exactly how I feel about this place. I hope you'll find a good job soon and will save up to move to more reasonable, normal place. We all have to experience bad places, only to appreciate other locations more later... I had my share of bad city choices before, take NYC alone.
OMG, I concur 1000000%, but my hate city is LA. It's my own fault though. I should have left within the first 6 months to a year when I couldn't find a decent job, but I didn't.
There are a lot of people who like to mess with other people on message boards, or like to complain and are taking advantage of internet anonymity. 99% of people I meet in real life like San Francisco, especially recent transplants, and I've never heard the NYC comparison being made by anyone other than bored people on the internet.
I've heard nothing but positive things about SF too. One of the major positives folks keep harping on when they tell me is that it would remind me of NYC. In itself that's not a problem, but I have heard the rents in SF are crazy expensive. As a matter of fact, I wanted to move to SF before coming to LA, but the rents were super expensive while LA's appeared to be more affordable.
I say "appeared" because although the rents are cheaper, the salaries here are very, very low. All of the good paying jobs are hard to get, unless you know someone or transfer in from another location. Unfortunately.
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Anyone who moves to a mid-sized city of 750,000 and expects it to be like Manhattan is not going to have the common sense to listen to a well-reasoned argument, anyway.
I'm happy that it's not anything like NYC. The rents may be expensive, but at least the cities have salaries to match. If I need to move outside the city for cheaper rent, I'll do that too. SF has awesome public transportation (10x's) better than LA's, so I'm not worried about getting around or need a car.
Still have to see how the job thing pans out though.
No, it should NOT... every day I'm checking the news and go "whoa, they still haven't blown up NYC?? no terrorists, no own misplaced and outpriced locals, no Occupy?"
Manhattan is the most overpriced and overrated real estate in the country.
Even if I could afford to purchase a condo there, I wouldn't.
This whole "market rent" thing is just a scam perpetrated by the richest landlords in the city and co-signed by the mayor and other corrupt politicians. There's an entire history behind how Manhattan became the way it is and it's not positive.
I've heard nothing but positive things about SF too. One of the major positives folks keep harping on when they tell me is that it would remind me of NYC. In itself that's not a problem, but I have heard the rents in SF are crazy expensive. As a matter of fact, I wanted to move to SF before coming to LA, but the rents were super expensive while LA's appeared to be more affordable.
I say "appeared" because although the rents are cheaper, the salaries here are very, very low. All of the good paying jobs are hard to get, unless you know someone or transfer in from another location. Unfortunately.
I'm happy that it's not anything like NYC. The rents may be expensive, but at least the cities have salaries to match. If I need to move outside the city for cheaper rent, I'll do that too. SF has awesome public transportation (10x's) better than LA's, so I'm not worried about getting around or need a car.
Still have to see how the job thing pans out though.
I think individual neighborhoods remind people of various NYC neighborhoods - in fact there's a great thread in the forum somewhere with those types of comparisons if you want to look it up.
Rent was reasonable two years ago, and has skyrocketed in the last two years unfortunately. People already ensconced are doing okay because of rent control, but it's tough coming to town for the first time now. Salaries are definitely high though, I know a lot of tech people in SF that make a lot of money. One of the reasons is that talent, believe it or not, is hard to come by and smaller tech companies without the name recognition have to sweeten the deal more than their famous counterparts like Google, Apple, etc. in order to be competitive. Tech is also spilling into other, more traditional industries as they ramp up their tech offerings, which allows people with different skillsets to also take advantage of the boom.
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