Why are the Warriors in Oakland? (San Francisco: living, cost of living, shopping mall)
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Rockridge, Upper RR, Clarmont, Glen Highlands, Montclair, are all quiet affluent burbs near or in the hills. Totally the opposite of what most people would expect from "Oakland".
Oakland really is two separate areas, the burby hills, and the urban flats. If you spent all your time in one, you couldn't imagine the city being the other. It's not a real integrated urban city like San Francisco, or New York. Most people though simply associate Oakland with the flats.
Not true. A very large portion of Oakland sits between the flatlands and the hills that is the epitome of the middle class lifestyle that has been all but wiped out in San Francisco. If anything, you just described San Francisco. The only difference is that the urban areas in SF are becoming a lot wealthier these days and poorer people are being pushed further and further towards the Bay. The only large middle class area in SF is south of the Mission between Junipero Serra Blvd and McLaren Park, and it's very much abutted by high crime areas in a way that the equivalent areas in Oakland are not.
And SF has a lot of suburban-like affluent areas as well. Have you never been up Portola? Clarendon? Most of SF's wealth is in the hills just like it is in Oakland. Neighborhoods like Pacific Heights and Nob Hill are the densely urban exceptions for wealthy areas in SF just like Rockridge and Glenview are the urban-esque exceptions for wealthy areas in Oakland.
The entire Bay Area is socioeconomically segregated, and San Francisco is one of the prime examples of that. A lot of people who live in the central part of SF have never gotten off of BART south of 24th Street or ever been on the T Line.
Exactly. There's nothing like Union Square or Santana Row in Oakland. I just find it very hard to believe that they will be able to create one in the parking lots they have around the Oracle Arena right now. It doesn't seem realistic, but I'm not property developer, so I could very well be wrong.
The biggest "shopping" focused development is planned for the Broadway Valdez Corridor. Central Estuary Plan
Although Oakland doesn't have a traditional "mall" or downtown shopping district with national chains, Oakland does have plenty of "main street" style neighborhood business districts that are thriving. They are not the type to be regional draws, so most people aren't aware the even exist.
The Coliseum is slated for a mixed use plan. But it is a lot further off, and I have never even seen drawings on what it might look like.
Oakland is pretty under-served for retail, based on city size and the wealth in the city, but there hasn't been the right development focused mayor to make that happen yet, but the Broadway Valdez plan is a good start.
The biggest "shopping" focused development is planned for the Broadway Valdez Corridor. Central Estuary Plan
Although Oakland doesn't have a traditional "mall" or downtown shopping district with national chains, Oakland does have plenty of "main street" style neighborhood business districts that are thriving. They are not the type to be regional draws, so most people aren't aware the even exist.
The Coliseum is slated for a mixed use plan. But it is a lot further off, and I have never even seen drawings on what it might look like.
Oakland is pretty under-served for retail, based on city size and the wealth in the city, but there hasn't been the right development focused mayor to make that happen yet, but the Broadway Valdez plan is a good start.
The Broadway Valdez plan looks interesting on paper:
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Oakland has long been the nations largest underserved Trade Area for comparison goods. Oakland currently exports 75% of its potential sales in this category, or roughly $1 billion in sales every year, to the neighboring communities of Emeryville, San Leandro, San Francisco, and Walnut Creek. While the City has many fine merchants, it lacks many larger retailers and a critical mass of retail selection. This dearth of retail options discourage its residents from shopping locally, which has implications regarding Oakland’s tax base that supports road maintenance, clean parks, and functional city services.
There's tax money to rehire all those cops laid off a year ago.
Unfortunately, the timeline for this project started 3 years ago, and they are still in the pre-planning stages. Something tells me this won't break ground until 2018 or further.
go make a thread about 'oakland developments' and how oakland is "just like brooklyn" to make yourself feel better about your 2nd class citizen, irrelevant city lol.
i was born and raised in san francisco. telling me about the 'wonders of oakland' is like telling someone from new york city about the redeeming qualities of newark new jersey. go wash yourself
Yawns at the benchwarmer.
The next time I need to know the opinion of the one who claims to be an expert on Bay Area nightlife whose posts reminds me of this:
I know who to call.
In the meantime, you still have NOT proven your comment about no one having going to Downtown Oakland after 5pm to be true.
So stick to what you know, which apparently is nothing.
The Broadway Valdez plan looks interesting on paper:
There's tax money to rehire all those cops laid off a year ago.
Unfortunately, the timeline for this project started 3 years ago, and they are still in the pre-planning stages. Something tells me this won't break ground until 2018 or further.
I've been going to the meetings. Interesting to say the least. The downturn has taken a toll, but they are starting with some little things in the short term, streetscape improvements and the like. The other good news? A lot is happening organically on the corridor itself. I.e. there are already new restaurants, bars and shops that have opened over the past 3 years. Plan or not. And the "plan" doesn't intend to kick them out. There are some underused parcels that could be fashioned into other types of retail.
A lot of the hold up was actually from a rewrite of the plan to incorporate community feedback. It has changed since its inception. (And the team had to switch departments when the city reorganized.
So it is definitely moving ahead. There is another meeting next month sometime.
The next time I need to know the opinion of the one who claims to be an expert on Bay Area nightlife whose posts reminds me of this:
I know who to call.
In the meantime, you still have NOT proven your comment about no one having going to Downtown Oakland after 5pm to be true.
So stick to what you know, which apparently is nothing.
lmao how sad is it that you're still whining about not being given any 'proof' of something i posted 3 days ago that everybody including myself has forgotten about.
you're from oakland, theres nothing you can tell me about how good oakland is because i was born and raised in san francisco. by default you're a nobody to me. but yea go oakland! go eastmont mall! oakland is JUST like brooklyn! they're gona call it oaklyn because their so similar hahaha get a life and get off my jock u crack head.
Oakland does have plenty of "main street" style neighborhood business districts that are thriving.
none of which are anywhere near the coliseums.
the oakland hills are nice too. gary payton lives there i hear. but the coliseum isn't in the hills. its in the middle of a bunch of crap
or as the oakland kids here want to put it:
its along hegenberger road one of the premier high class neighborhoods in all of the bay area. it makes the ritziest areas in blackhawk look like iraq. hegenberger is where its at. need fine dining? dennys, burger king and in n out burger. need your checks cashed? hegenberger road awaits u
the oakland hills are nice too. gary payton lives there i hear. but the coliseum isn't in the hills. its in the middle of a bunch of crap
or as the oakland kids here want to put it:
its along hegenberger road one of the premier high class neighborhoods in all of the bay area. it makes the ritziest areas in blackhawk look like iraq. hegenberger is where its at. need fine dining? dennys, burger king and in n out burger. need your checks cashed? hegenberger road awaits u
I don't recall anyone claiming the the area around the Coliseum was the best neighborhood in Oakland. What people did refute is that the area around the Coliseum is the worst area in town, and that is has remained the same since the 1982.
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