Human waste shuts down BART escalators (motel, mall, food)

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by NYCtoSF

Two words: Vote Republican

And then what? Build more prisons and load 'em full of homeless and street people? Like concentration camps?

[andyadhi01]

Why is US in general, SF included, is so averse to the idea of public tiolets? Any city with too much density and pedrstrian traffic needs public toilets because people need to relieve themselves. Why is it such aproblem to have public toilet in Muni or BART stations? This exists in every civilized country but somehow people in US is opposed to this very practical idea. If you don't invest in public infrastructure then this is what you get.. Filthy public places! Blaming the homeless people, who have no where else to go, for this mess is beyond pathetic!

[andyadhi01]

Originally Posted by AngusHsu

Too many homeless people are trying to guilt trip the SF citizen into giving them money and food. I used to be more "compassionate" toward the homeless. Now I know better than to enable their lifestyle. It is time we take back our city into the rightful hands.

And you expect the homeless to hold it forever or what? Just build more public toilets! Simple...

[ImRandy]

Speaking of Civic Center, I made the mistake once of taking the elevator. The escalator was broken and I had three boxes of documents that I didn't want to lug up the stairs. Walked in, the doors shut, then the smell of urine and ammonia hit me. Damn near passed out from the smell and heat. Didn't help that I was trying to hold my breath during the three hours it takes a BART elevator to go up one floor.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by andyadhi01

Why is US in general, SF included, is so averse to the idea of public tiolets? Any city with too much density and pedrstrian traffic needs public toilets because people need to relieve themselves. Why is it such aproblem to have public toilet in Muni or BART stations? This exists in every civilized country but somehow people in US is opposed to this very practical idea. If you don't invest in public infrastructure then this is what you get.. Filthy public places! Blaming the homeless people, who have no where else to go, for this mess is beyond pathetic!

Hey, we agree on something! Shock and Awe!

Seems all people, including the precious shoppers and tourists spending their money in SF, eventually need to attend to the same things the homeless do.

[clongirl]

Originally Posted by NYCtoSF

Two words: Vote Republican

FYI--it was a Republican (Reagan) that systematically closed down mental health facilities/and hospitals in California and stopped funding community health programs. Crime amongst this group went up and these folks were detained in the criminal justice system rather than the mental health system. They were basically left to their own devices unless the patient had private health insurance and a guardian/family member to commit them.

You seem to have things backwards.

[Isebiel]

Originally Posted by Natural510

The even more liberal & progressive city of Portland took pretty much the same steps described, with wide success (at least at the time this article was written):
S.F. leaders hear about Portland's approach to homelessness - SFGate

FWIW, the state of Oregon overturned that ordinance, and when I was shopping around for cities (2009-2011) Portland's homeless issue was MUCH worse than San Francisco's. The parks downtown were full of people passed out after their heroin dose, exiting the MAX meant a gauntlet of aggressive beggars, and people were lounging all over the sidewalks hollering at and mocking passersby.

San Francisco has a sit/lie ordinance, right? I think it's only enforced in select areas.

[Dean Trails]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Time for a community mulch pit. A win-win!

A good step..

A better solution is get the EPA involved,,,or better yet the CDC. Surely it must be a breeding pit for new diseases. I would love to see environmental scietists run to the area to discover new species.

The Army might find some new biological weapons. If i was a conspiracy buff, i might wonder if this wasn't a government program to see how far the human body can be stressed.

[mayorhaggar]

Really SF's not that bad though compared to some cities. Worst I've seen is in Atlanta, where in the downtown areas there's a homeless guy lounging around on the sidewalk every 5 feet, and in parks there's like 100 homeless guys lying around hanging out together. In SF except in the Tenderloin they tend to spread out more, you'll see one guy every few blocks in downtown or on Market, but you don't see huge crowds of them hanging out together. Once though I stupidly went to look at a studio around the corner from the Hilton near Union Square, and on the apartment's block there were like 50 homeless guys lounging around on the sidewalk...my guess is there was a soup kitchen nearby. I did not take that apartment. Never seen it that bad anywhere else in SF, and it reminded me that honestly most of SF is not that bad. What gets to you though is that homeless people in SF are usually really crazy, and really dirty and smelly, and dealing with one in a crowded bus is way more traumatic than seeing 100 guys lying around in a park who aren't bothering you.

[pch1013]

Originally Posted by andyadhi01

Why is US in general, SF included, is so averse to the idea of public tiolets? Any city with too much density and pedrstrian traffic needs public toilets because people need to relieve themselves. Why is it such aproblem to have public toilet in Muni or BART stations? This exists in every civilized country but somehow people in US is opposed to this very practical idea. If you don't invest in public infrastructure then this is what you get.. Filthy public places! Blaming the homeless people, who have no where else to go, for this mess is beyond pathetic!

The problem is that public toilets -- especially in the Civic Center area -- will inevitably become places for junkies to shoot up and/or have sex.