SFPD #fail: Under-reporting minority arrests (Oakland, Richmond: city hall, violent crime, home)

[john3232]

Originally Posted by jade408

...Technically, they vast majority of "hispanic" people could look like any number of ethnic groups.

Interestingly enough the SFPD has no problem classifying a crime victim as being Hispanic.

So why not an assailant?

Originally Posted by goldenchild08

...Black people are almost statistically insignificant in SF at barely 6% of the population.

Yes, but even at 6% they make up what? 50% or more of the jail population?

Originally Posted by goldenchild08

... In SF and the Bay, in general, hella kids of all races are thugged out, period. Bay Area natives know this. The Bay is a capital for ghetto Asian kids who act as thugs much like Long Beach.

One can live in the Asian areas of the Richmond or Sunset districts with will little to fear.

Unfortunately the same can't be said for the Black areas of either SF or Oakland.

[goldenchild08]

One can live in the Asian areas of the Richmond or Sunset districts with will little to fear.

Unfortunately the same can't be said for the Black areas of either SF or Oakland.

True. I know that the Sunset is safe from personal experience because my grandparents live in the Sunset. However, my mother's house was in the infamous Lakeview district, which was predominantly Black at the time in the 80's and 90's and we couldn't walk down the street because of the out of control crime and violence that plagued the streets there.

That is because the proportion of Blacks in poverty in America, period, is much higher than that of Asians as a whole. Blacks living in big cities live in ghettoized communities plagued by crime, period. This is because of the history of deindustrialization and White flight that occurred in every big city and metro area in America. Suburban areas with high Black populations often do not have any issues with real crime because Blacks who have relocated to the suburbs have decent jobs and live middle class lives and don't want to sell hard drugs for a living. Blacks became represented as the majority in prisons as a result of the war on drugs. Prior to the 70's and tough in drugs policy, a much lower percentage of Black men were in prison.

But Asians in America are usually better off because only usually Asian people with lots of education and money can even afford to relocate to America and be able to survive. All of the dirt poor Asian people who sew together your clothes and assembled your ipod are not relocating to the states and becoming doctors and tech dynamos. The overall Black poverty rate in America stands at about 25%. In a city like San Francisco where the Black middle class practically no longer exists, the poverty rate in much higher. However, Asians are not a monolithic group. Especially not in SF. Southeast Asian ethnic groups like Cambodians, Hmong, Laotians and Vietnamese often have much higher poverty rates than Blacks. The poverty rate for Hmong Americans stands at a whopping 37.8%:

Critical Issues Facing Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders | The White House

There are predominantly Southeast Asian areas in San Francisco that are plagued by gangs and crime. Take the Highland projects in Bernal Heights for example. This area is the projects just like anywhere in the much more notorious Fillmore district or across the bridge in places like Acorn in West Oakland. But the difference is that most of the scary thugged out kids out in the neighborhood making it an unsafe place just happen to be *gasp* Asian. Mind you that this video was shot by locals and is not funded by a major record label reaching for street credibility with midwestern White kids:



But SF's problem with gangs and violence in the Asian American community is nothing new. One of the bloodiest massacres in San Francisco history was between Asian gangsters in the 70's.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/I...gs-3239507.php

As I stated in my first post, the model minority myth must be kept alive in America. But the truth is that Asian Americans participate in crime just like Blacks and Latinos in the Bay, except it is not publicized anywhere near the level of the former two groups:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...nd-3109473.php

[john3232]

Originally Posted by goldenchild08

True. I know that the Sunset is safe from personal experience because my grandparents live in the Sunset. However, my mother's house was in the infamous Lakeview district, which was predominantly Black at the time in the 80's and 90's and we couldn't walk down the street because of the out of control crime and violence that plagued the streets there.

No doubt given the size of the local Asian pop. there are Asian gangs and Asian crime. But again there plenty of areas (largely Asian) which are in fact quite safe. Unfortunately, the same can't be said of any large Black districts within SF, Richmond or Oakland. They are all dangerous.

[Boompa]

Originally Posted by jade408

That's different. It is not like the police arrest someone and go "oh he looks mixed." Let me mark him other.

Obama is mixed race, but for all intents and purposes he is black.

The list they chose was on purpose. And I imagine SFPD can differentiate from someone who looks typically asian or typically Latino. It is interesting where they decided to apply other. I think the list they have is too limiting and really ignores the diversity in the city and the state. At the very minimum they need to have white, black, asian, and other. "Hispanic" is a bs term, but since it is a census designation it should also be included. Technically, they vast majority of "hispanic" people could look like any number of ethnic groups.

You `imagine, that's your problem

[jade408]

Originally Posted by john3232

No doubt given the size of the local Asian pop. there are Asian gangs and Asian crime. But again there plenty of areas (largely Asian) which are in fact quite safe. Unfortunately, the same can't be said of any large Black districts within SF, Richmond or Oakland. They are all dangerous.

Class trumps race for these problems. Poorer neighborhoods are more dangerous than richer ones.

And especially here in the Bay, poor neighborhoods are black.

[jade408]

Originally Posted by john3232

Interestingly enough the SFPD has no problem classifying a crime victim as being Hispanic.

So why not an assailant?

This is the problem. If you are going to bother designating "races" then be accurate for the victims and perpetrators.

Yes, but even at 6% they make up what? 50% or more of the jail population?

Although this is irrelevant to this topic, it is a well known fact that black criminals are punished more harshly for the same offenses than ones of other groups. And of course, blacks are more likely to be "profiled" as a criminal, so the police catch more because they are looking harder.

[jade408]

Originally Posted by Boompa

You `imagine, that's your problem

I am really not understanding your beef here. I think it is dumb the categories misrepresent the city's population. Not the existance of groups. Having such a big "other" box skews the real data.

For example, people worry about racial profiling, primarily for blacks and latinos. If the police can't mark latino, then there is no way for researchers to see if the data supports that, if they are all mixed in with white and other.

[john3232]

Originally Posted by jade408

Class trumps race for these problems. Poorer neighborhoods are more dangerous than richer ones.

And especially here in the Bay, poor neighborhoods are black.

If that's the case we should see similar crime stats for Asians as we do Blacks who both live in public housing but we don't. They aren't even close.

Originally Posted by jade408

...And of course, blacks are more likely to be "profiled" as a criminal, so the police catch more because they are looking harder.

Is it because there's more of a police presence that more arrests are made in Black areas of Northern Cal?
Or is it because there's more crime and thus police are more active?

[john3232]

Originally Posted by jade408

This is the problem. If you are going to bother designating "races" then be accurate for the victims and perpetrators.

The FBI uses the same classifications: one where a victim of a crime can be recorded as Hispanic but not as an assailant.

In that instance a classification of White is recorded.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by jade408

Apparently, only in SF, latinos are white and asians are "other" when it comes to marking the race box for arrests.

SFPD underreports Latino, Asian arrests - SFGate

We had a bunch of people saying George Zimmerman is white when Trayvon Martin was shot. They still make the claim despite his latino ethnicity.

Those were mostly african american posters too.

The FBI crime stats do lump hispanic in with white at times too.

I don't know what to make of it, sometimes it's intentional, sometimes accidental....