11-11-2012, 03:55 PM
Location: San Francisco, CA
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All very nice and very elegantly put. However, how shall we say, not totally "on the mark." You may say you are "family-oriented and relatively conservative in their social views." However, the facts deem otherwise. SF IS the EXTREME liberal left wing of society (Alameda County is close behind). If ONE THIRD of the city did not agree with its extreme left wing whacko policies, including this one (I love your PC "gender reassignment, instead of saying what it really is), people would not have the bad ideas of what SF is.
What the heck? What is it "really"? People goofing off with their bodies 'cause they want to give [other gender] a whirl? Have you ever met any trans people? It's a miserable situation to be in.
11-11-2012, 06:23 PM
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What the heck? What is it "really"? People goofing off with their bodies 'cause they want to give [other gender] a whirl? Have you ever met any trans people? It's a miserable situation to be in.
Boo hoo. It's a "miserable situation" they put themselves in.
11-11-2012, 06:47 PM
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Every time I read the title of this thread I think of the movie, "They All Laughed". It wasn't a big movie and I actually forgot all about it until now.
They All Laughed (1981) - IMDb
That is all.
11-11-2012, 07:37 PM
Location: San Francisco
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All very nice and very elegantly put. However, how shall we say, not totally "on the mark." You may say you are "family-oriented and relatively conservative in their social views." However, the facts deem otherwise. SF IS the EXTREME liberal left wing of society (Alameda County is close behind). If ONE THIRD of the city did not agree with its extreme left wing whacko policies, including this one (I love your PC "gender reassignment, instead of saying what it really is), people would not have the bad ideas of what SF is.
"Not totally on the mark," fair enough. However I should point out that I am white, not Asian. By "we," I meant San Franciscans. As for being "ONE THIRD" (why the caps?), anyone who knows basic math will realize that it takes a majority to pass a law. Because San Francisco is so diverse and has so many widely varying opinions on how things should be done, it's hard to get our Board of Supervisors to reach a consensus on anything. The Supes are voted in not citywide, but by district. So the district with a lot of gays elects a gay supervisor who advocates for them, the Sunset district elects a Chinese supervisor, etc. And nothing gets done. I'll be the first one to complain about that; our city government is dysfunctional.
As for doing something about the "EXTREME liberal left wing of society," I'm doing something merely by being here. My husband and I are middle-class, taxpaying, law-abiding home-owning citizens and political moderates. We are not wealthy and are not the elite that everyone likes to complain about. We are making our stand by staying put rather than fleeing to someplace that's cheaper to live in but doesn't have San Francisco's amenities. We like to think that we make the city a better place, by staying here, supporting local businesses and being good citizens. Oh, and by voting for the candidates who reflect our views. (I didn't vote for Mayor Lee, by the way, although I have nothing against him and think he's done a decent job so far.)
As for the "gender reassignment, " I personally do not care what it's called. I wasn't trying to be "politically correct," I was merely quoting the term used in the article that I linked to. "Sex change" is OK with me, too. Who even cares about such a petty thing?
I also agree with posters above who have pointed out that being born in the wrong body is not a "choice" and it's a truly miserable situation to be in. It's not the same as experimenting with changing your sex out of curiosity or for kicks. The people who get this procedure, as I said earlier, are very carefully screened.
A lot of what you said in your post is your own personal opinion. I don't happen to agree with you that San Francisco is that extreme in our laws. For example, I am happy to bring my own shopping bag and save the dime fee because that's what I was already doing and had been for many years. I also love it that we have such a good recycling program. If that makes me a loony or a tree-hugger in your view, then that's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. One thing about diversity is that it means treating people with respect even if they don't look like you or think exactly like you do. Oh, and it's not the same as "tacitly approving" extremists. To be honest, I wish some of those noisy extremists would put a cork in it, but it's a free country.
I don't mean to sound belligerent, but I'm just so tired of all the attacks on San Francisco based on fringe groups that make a lot of noise and get a lot of media attention. I'm neither "tacitly approving" of them nor denying that they have political influence here, I'm just saying that people like that don't represent all San Franciscans, or even most of us.
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11-13-2012, 01:50 PM
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Wait! You mean your cross-dressing, pot-smoking hippie nudist welfare-loving radical leftist whack jobs aren't just your average citizens who are working, raising families and going about your business? Who knew?
Gentoo has it right. Most of us really are pretty boring, not that there's anything wrong with that.
11-13-2012, 02:41 PM
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there are "deependers" everywhere. certain ppl think this tranny garbage is deserving of public funds, and others believe pregnancy by rape is a gift from god and shouldnt be an excuse to have an abortion.
11-13-2012, 02:49 PM
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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there are "deependers" everywhere. certain ppl think this tranny garbage is deserving of public funds, and others believe pregnancy by rape is a gift from god and shouldnt be an excuse to have an abortion.
One is fanatical religious insanity advocating a position that one should accept and endure senseless violence and it's aftermath, because the great voice in their head says so. The other addresses the need of some to personally right what they believe is a biological wrong. Not on the same level.
11-13-2012, 03:01 PM
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One is fanatical religious insanity advocating a position that one should accept and endure senseless violence and it's aftermath, because the great voice in their head says so. The other addresses the need of some to personally right what they believe is a biological wrong. Not on the same level.
biology is a B**** aint it.
theres a lot of women who figured it was biologically wrong to be a B cup and bought DDs instead i guess we should have all paid for them too...
11-13-2012, 03:03 PM
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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Well, when you think about it, that wouldn't be such a bad idea, no?
11-13-2012, 11:31 PM
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Ugh, I think fake breasts look grotesque and unnatural, but that's off topic.
A cosmetic procedure such as breast augmentation is not even close to being in the same league as gender reassignment surgery. One is very common, a minor procedure done merely for appearance's sake. The other is very rare, involving a long series of major surgeries and hormonal treatments to correct a biological mistake in which a person was born a man in a woman's body or vice-versa. In some cases a person is born with ambiguous genitalia (features of both sexes) and this needs to be surgically corrected as well.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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