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Old 01-02-2013, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Nothing new to see here folks, just more of the same.


That's a funny comment coming from you. Half the post in this thread are yours.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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That's a funny comment coming from you. Half the post in this thread are yours.
Not surprised that you dont really address my point. LOL

Like I said,
These articles or the comments in this thread or any other thread brought up by 'concerned outsiders' are NOT genuinely meant to discuss the issue of crime in Oakland. No they are meant to provoke fear and incite rhetorical back and forth spats.

This is nothing more than the usual rehashing of things we've already argued before. Yawns.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I saw this firsthand yesterday at Safeway:
Jan. 1: Alameda County shoppers have to bring their own shopping bags or prepare to pay - San Jose Mercury News

It was funny seeing people carrying their shopping out with no bags. I have like 5 big canvas bags in my trunk that I've been using for a while now so this change is really not an issue for me.
I now need to a better job at segmenting my bags. Food vs durable goods vs clothing....

But it is a good change, and has been in place in SJ for a while now.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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I'm not sure what's being rehashed. You have three new politicians who could politically have lots of control in the direction Oakland goes in the next few years.

Seeing as how the city just came off a year where violent crime and homicides skyrocketed, I think those who live in the area would like to know what the plan is going to be to curb this crime. I know I do.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:59 PM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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Seeing as how the city just came off a year where violent crime and homicides skyrocketed, I think those who live in the area would like to know what the plan is going to be to curb this crime. I know I do.
Sure, and i want to see San Jose's plan. I am concerned how they will curb crime.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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I'm not sure what's being rehashed.
That you claim to be 'not sure' is not a surprise in the least. Yawns.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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I now need to a better job at segmenting my bags. Food vs durable goods vs clothing....

But it is a good change, and has been in place in SJ for a while now.
Good idea about segmenting....Im bad at that.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Sure, and i want to see San Jose's plan. I am concerned how they will curb crime.
I would suggest Los Angeles.

Los Angeles crime rate down 2 percent in 2012 | abc7.com

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Los Angeles keeps getting safer. Overall crime in the city fell for a 10th straight year in 2012.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Sure, and i want to see San Jose's plan. I am concerned how they will curb crime.
I wonder why SJ cops have such low morale as of late? At least that's what the news says.

My first uneducated guess is they dislike inter-deparment politics.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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Honestly, I dont mind if its 500-1,000 homicides a year if ex-cons and other lawbreakers are killing each other off. Saves us the cost of incarceration and false hope for rehabilitation. In fact, the rest of us really should thank us for containing this problem in our city.

*BOOM*

The main problem with this is the belief that the actual goal of the US prison system is to rehabilitate inmates in the first place. It's not the goal and hasn't been for a long time now. In reality, prison has been monetized to the point where there's now a fiscal incentive to lock people up, and it's not just in the privately owned prisons either... Ever heard of FPI (Federal Prison Industries)? They have people working in factories for Third World wages (23 cents to $1.15 per hour, half of which generally goes to paying court-ordered fines and etc. under the IFRP) doing the kind of manual labor they used to pay the parents of these inmates living wages for four decades ago. These skills don't translate into the regular job market either as next to nothing is manufactured in the US anymore... prison is literally the only job market where corporations can get away with paying Americans the same rates they pay the poorest people in China/India/Thailand.

To see an actual rehabilitory prison system in action look at Norway... the US is not one of them.
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